View: Garrett Adelstein is the best LIVE NL Cash player in the world

I literally said in the moment I understand why he reacted the way he did. In the moment he's been playing the entire time and hasn't watched the stream. I can't fault him for being emotional in the moment at all. He sees this one outrageous hand and loses it. Perfectly understandable. I'd react the same way and assume there were lots more shady hands from her.

Everything he said and did after that was horrendous.

Still waiting on the results of his 16 hour a day investigation btw. Lmao.

I also remember the manifesto he wrote on here maybe a month or so after the hand happened . It was about 95 percent complete and utter nonsense.

BTW, has anyone considered that she may have received a psychic news flash?

I can think of any number of times during my decades of poker that I have somehow known what my Villain was holding, and I am not referring to some sophisticated hand reading or picking up of tells, I just knew exactly what they had. I am sure I am not the only one here that has experienced this phenomena.

I know that this is an outlandish suggestion, but to me it seems only slightly less likely than the idea that she played in the big game with a remote control sex toy in her vagina.

Quote from a podcast this week that was revisiting the J4 hand:

“Anyone that knows poker, knows she had to be cheating.”

This quote was made by a top cash game player that also was considered one of the top heads up online players at one time.
He also has a wsop bracelet. He also is a part owner of a poker room . So basically he knows a lot about poker.
He also mentioned he had been cheated online and refunded some money by the online site. The cheater could see his cards . Podcast was called very nadav show if anyone wants to see it.

Anyone who knows about ego and podcast blowharding / grandstanding knows that was a stupid comment for the top cash game player to make

See how easy that is. And believe me, as a mod of politics and society, I'm an expert in nonsense

If one wants to argue she cheated that's reasonable and obviously there is a non-zero % chance that's what took place. But to say its more likely then not is disingenuous at best.

What probability do you assign to the existence of a cheating ring so sophisticated that the signaling method hasn't even been fully detected—yet it chose one of the most high-profile, heavily watched streams to operate on, and then picked an absurdly suspicious spot to cheat in, where you also just lose half the time anyway? You dismiss this as “cheaters are stupid” , and then ask for a rationale behind her making such a ridiculous call. Isnt that your whole point—that she is stupid? If so I agree, and would also find that to be more likely then not to explain what took place.

To add to that, the fact that she gave his half of the pot back and then carried on playing in the game on stream for several hours presumably still with a cheating device. All whilst sat on the table with Phil Ivey and Andy Stacks.

Ryan also did a terrible job with the situation. He should have closed the stream down and tried to mediate the dispute, rather than letting Garrett yoink 150k from a pot he lost then banning both players.

If you're not in a game where weekly you see fish play hands *exactly* like Robbi plays the J4 hand, then you're in the wrong game. It's not that unusual.

A plausible theory that was never much talked about is she spied his hole cards. Find the full unedited video of the hand and you can see she has positioned herself in a way get a line of sight to his cards and you can see her looking that direction. If you've spent much time in the live streets, you can recognize the intent there.

I've played probably on average 1500 hours a year of live poker since 2010, casinos, home games, etc. And I've never seen someone min-click J4 high on TT93 and call 110K more.

Literally never seen that line, or that play. Again, literally never.

I've seen people call with like 6 high thinking they had a straight and misread their hands, etc. But again, this idiot said 500x she didn't misread her hand

I didn't mean to imply playing exactly J4 this way. Fish will min click bluff turn with trash (because they don't know wtf else to do and they're hoping to win the hand this way) and then decide their hand is good enough to bluff catch river because losing money hurts less than the regret of not making the hero call and catching someone in a bluff.

Did she retract her misread hand explanation? I thought she stuck to that story. Covering weird play with "oops, I misread my hand" is also pretty common fish behavior in my experience -- they use it to avoid embarrassment. Her initial comment about a misread at the table in real time seemed disingenuous to me (lol I think that I have live reads) and supports my theory of spying the hole cards. IOW; "no, I didn't know your cards, I actually misread my hand and thought it was stronger than it was" is a cover for spying the cards.

Ive mentioned this before. The only way she cheated is if he literally saw his cards for this hand only. There wasn't some cheating ring and she clearly didn't have info the rest of the stream.

I'm pretty sure that cheating with a device like that is a police matter, even in California. So they could bring her in and check. Most people in this position would be in a panic. Some people have ice water in their veins, but just things like getting pulled over, especially if say, you've had a drink but you're quite sure you're under the limit. It's still really uncomfortable. You just want it to be over. This is someone who supposedly is in the middle of committing a crime.

That raises another issue. If you asked 1,000 rich LA chicks if they wanted to cheat in a poker game where the upside was they would make like 1-4 months of their regular income and the downside was possibly doing time, and also they would have to wear ben wa balls and let some sketchy dude control hem, how many would agree?

The chip stealing was a striking coincidence and part of why we are here. First the crazy call. Then Robbie scooping. Then Garrett throwing a temper tantrum. Then the theft. Remove one of those and I don't know there is even a lasting story. Without Bryan, I don't know how anyone could side with Garrett.

But you are thinking of it somewhat backwards. This situation IS a crazy outlier out of all the streamed hands ever. There are millions of green balls and one red ball and we poured out the drum and are looking right at the red ball. We didn't pull the red ball on the first try.

It's like on a true crime show, every so often, they are looking for a white guy with glasses who drives a back SUV and there is a white guy with glasses who drives a back SUV and is a sex offender who lives 5 blocks from the victim, but it turns out he is not the right guy. Sometimes stuff happens. That's part of the reason they chose to make an episode about that case.

Moreover, upon reflection and more information, the theft was not as crazy as it first seemed. Bryan was a degenerate gambler who had stolen before. (Maybe even stolen chips IIRC?) Huge chip stacks were left unattended on a table that was isolated. I don't really know if someone has stolen off my stack or not, but I've never been in such a situation. But let's say I was playing black jack alone an the dealer left. I would certainly not walk away and leave my chip stack just sitting there with no people on the table because I think there is a good chance someone would steal them. Anyway it's not really strange that a person like Bryan would steal and, if he was aware of whose stack it was, choose Robbie.

The bottom line is that a thief was alone in a room with a ton of money so he took some.

And if he was in on the cheating, my guess is that he would be afraid to do anything on camera, knowing the cheating was exposed. If he didn't understand what was happening, he would probably not expect the footage of a dead table to ever be reviewed.

It is a wild coincidence. But also if I see an elephant get shot this weekend it would be an absolutely shocking turn of events. However, if you told me I'd be in Africa with a big game hunter, the elephant shooting part would be a lot less surprising.

I've seen so many terrible takes on this situation, it's somewhat clear that she misread her hand as J♣ 3x and plays her hand that way, both in her betting/calling actions and her speech that aligns almost perfectly with a misread. She had been trying to "own" Garrett all night, going out of her way to get involved and not be pushed around with the perceived HC Live all-star. Overdefending and playing sheriff in hands is how someone like this would be playing, I've personally seen it tons of times before to myself and others. There is a ton of body language that occurs in the hand, some of which appears to be involuntary and visceral as the hand unfolds, both before cards are exposed and after.

"3s no good?" This is the key point in the hand

She grimaces at the 9♦ and starts rubbing her forehead in frustration at the worst ranked card to hit the river if she put Garrett on "A high" as she states later, the only worse card in the deck for J3 would be the 9♥ which could fill in some of Garrett's ♥♥ semi-bluffs that had worse made hand value than J3 like 8♥7♥.

- "That one's you for sure, unless you have like pocket 5s"

"I don't think so"

-"You have like, small pair?"

"You give me that much credit?" to a recreational J3 was a worse hand than say 44 - 66 or whatever threshold Robbi assigns to "small pair" so is replying to Garret overvaluing her hand strength on the turn, "small pairs" are also considered a lot stronger than J4o preflop which is one of the worst hands in the game, unless you are aejone's cousin.

Someone says "just turn them over"

Robbie appears to go towards turning them over and then playfully says "Oh!? No... no no 😊" This hand would be incredibly embarrassing to turn over after getting counterfeited and she wouldn't have to show it unless it was the winner for at least half of the pot with Garrett being both OOP and having the last aggressive action that put her all-in. If Garrett had flipped up his 8♣ 7♣ after missing the first run I think Robbi would have exposed her J♣ 4♥ after seeing it was good for the first half. She doesn't have to check her cards first, both J4 and a misread J3 would beat 87 here and be flipped up.

- "I have 8 high"

Robbi is stonefaced and doesn't act until Garrett actually flips up his "8 high."

"Wow, Garrett, how many times are you going to let me do this to you?"

Robbi flips up her hand as the winner for both halves of the pot. There is no difference between J3 and J4 here for either half of the pot, both Jx combos would play TT99J on the first board and on the second TTAJ9 and TT33A would both beat TTA98

"If my J wasn't a ♣ I would have been out" She is talking about the flop float here, not the turn raise/call. She thinks that the flop float was considered questionable and she is defending it, calling off with a 3 when you put someone on "A high" isn't really questionable in her eyes. Fwiw, it isn't.

"I thought you were on A high" Robbi floats the flop vs that part of his range to steal it later and then she is still misremembering the situation as having TT33J on the turn which beats the A high no pair she put Garrett on. Robbi justifies her flop float while Garrett is focused on the turn action.

- "No, no, no, on the turn though, you called on the turn because..."

"Because you don't have ****" which is somewhat true, he did actually only have 8 high.

"You're not the only one who gets lucky sometimes Garrett, you don't have to get that upset."

Robbi got incredibly lucky that she misread her hand

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Nothing is really that strange about this hand if you start with the premise that Robbi thinks she has J3 and thinks Garrett has an A high and/or a draw on the turn. Watch the video again with the presumption that Robbi thinks she has J3, not J4, what exactly is off?

Good analysis. Peeps that she cheated, probably have never followed a thread of an unbalanced human being like Paisting's for example, where the fellow called with nut low - 5 high I believe it was... - after SIGNIFICANT action pre flop, on the flop, on the turn and then the river shove, to "keep the other player balanced", which sounded a lot like Robbi's mumbling about "you let me do this to you all the time" sort of nonsensical reasoning... No way I see this as cheating.

So Robbie gave back half the pot because she wasn’t cheating?

That's fine except she's had 5,000 opportunities to simply say "I thought I had J3"
That would've been the end of it, that simple. No 3 week witch hunt, no threads 3 years later

Makes more sense than giving it back bc she was cheating when she can just leave with the money. But yea she was cheating gave the money back and went back to play with whatever devices she used to cheat with. Bc that's what cheaters do.

surely though if she thought she had J3 she would've been shocked or shown some kind of emotion when she turns over J4 and realises she misread her hand and got ridiculously lucky? her body language doesn't suggest this at all, she's cool as a cucumber with a grin on her face, also if it was a simple as misreading her hand and getting lucky why didn't she just say this straight away? also giving Garrett his money back makes zero sense to me if she misread her hand