The murder of Charlie Kirk
Can we all admit that the majority of extremism is coming from the left over the last handful of years?
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I actually think it the opposite. A lot left on this forum are mostly educated white and seem to think you guys are logical. Yet I bet you guys don't live or interact with inner cities growing up. Yet you seem to think to know how minority think/feel. You talk about non college voter with disdain yet in your mind you think people talk about blacks are racist. Being a poker player yet don't understand the variance of bad luck in life. Blame everyone 1 outer to something that can be control so you end up charging for rake to make everything seem fair. Here some advice read about Charlie Munger he a Republican and he happen to be best friend with a Democrat Warren Buffett. If you going to be on the left side at least be rational like Warren Buffett and less extreme.
I don't understand what your point is.
Are you trying to say that it's all the fault of the left and the right bares no responsibility?
Are you upset at the thought of any criticism of the right?
Once again stop thinking everything is black and white. World is complicated. You don't have to 100% hate everyone that you disagree with or think if someone slightly disagree with you they are completely wrong. You don't have to be brainwash into believing that every Sweet tooth kid deserve to live than 7 billions people that will die. 7 billions happen to contain a lot of parents with kids too you know.
Once again stop thinking everything is black and white. World is complicated. You don't have to 100% hate everyone that you disagree with or think if someone slightly disagree with you they are completely wrong. You don't have to be brainwash into believing that every Sweet tooth kid deserve to live than 7 billions people that will die. 7 billions happen to contain a lot of par
Now we're starting to agree some.
Yes," you don't have to hate everyone you disagree with. "
"World is complicated."
If you stop letting your emotions from getting the better of you, you'll start making more sense.
Seriously Geezer,
This is your voice of reason?
By the time Cenk posted this we all saw the video of the guy fall off the roof and limp down the street wearing converse. That isn't a "professional who is gone with the wind." There is no conspiracy by the government to let this guy get away. Utah is a very big, mostly empty place. It can take time to find people hiding in big empty places. Look how long it took to find the Unabomber. This manhunt has been going on 1 day.
once again fact check your list please read this from twitter. Stephenking wrote this and got killed for false. stop spreading false stuff. https://x.com/RubinReport/status/1966299...
It’s arguable that he did say that, though we’d have to go deeper to know what his hermeneutics are. Obviously the people on his show did not push back. The fact that she was called a groomer and they said “satan quoted scripture” kind of implies that the full force of the quote from the bible was meant by that.
https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/...
Starts at about 57:00 but the main quote comes at around 1:00:00
It’s certainly not right to quote him as saying “we should bring back stoning gays” but he did heavily imply that it was a proper part of scripture that should not be ignored.
Also since Dave is gay it would be pretty hypocritical of Kirk not to tell him to stop being gay.
Now we're starting to agree some.
Yes," you don't have to hate everyone you disagree with. "
"World is complicated."
If you stop letting your emotions from getting the better of you, you'll start making more sense.
You go from full Trump will bring in armies and take over the country and become king. Then tell me about emotions getting the better of me. Care to defend your statement about Republican not saying anything?
Crossing the line of civility can happen in many ways. Allowing myself to be overtly frustrated or saying **** here and there seems like a relatively harmless way to project pointed words and accurate emotions at people with perspectives I consider worthy of such The right prefers to deal in other ways, to hold some moral or intellectual high ground while saying things either d
Thanks for helping validate my point that most leftists are emotionally feeble-minded.
Quite a lot of things here that I’d consider crossing the line of civility if it helps Geezer. You might mistake a lot of these things for spirited debate or good faith arguments (because you’re really dumb)
Thank you again for helping to confirm my thesis that most leftists are emotionally feeble-minded.
You're a gift that keep on giving, and don't think I don't appreciate that!
Typical of those leftists to invent a magic sky daddy to rely on in times of trouble because they're too weak to deal with things emotionally themselves.
Every accusation is a confession, geezer.
a partial list of things he apparently said: Gay people should be stoned to death Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane No one should be allowed to retire Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states British Colonialism was what "made the world decent" The guy who assaulted the Pelosis should be bailed out Religious free
"things he apparently said"
ROTFL
It’s arguable that he did say that, though we’d have to go deeper to know what his hermeneutics are. Obviously the people on his show did not push back. The fact that she was called a groomer and they said “satan quoted scripture” kind of implies that the full force of the quote from the bible was meant by that.
Obviously Dave Rubin was well aware of Charlie Kirk's views on homosexuality. I don't see how it would be 'hypocritical' for Kirk not to bring up the topic to Rubin unless Rubin himself brought it up.
And Kirk can't "tell" Rubin what to do or not do anyway.
Obviously Dave Rubin was well aware of Charlie Kirk's views on homosexuality. I don't see how it would be 'hypocritical' for Kirk not to bring up the topic to Rubin unless Rubin himself brought it up.
And Kirk can't "tell" Rubin what to do or not do anyway.
Listen to the podcast that I linked. Kirk said it would not be real love if you did not tell people the truth. His metaphor was, you would tell an alcoholic not to drink. So therefore you should tell a homosexual what?
The form of the inference seems to be symmetrical, no?
Typical of those leftists to invent a magic sky daddy to rely on in times of trouble because they're too weak to deal with things emotionally themselves.
Every accusation is a confession, geezer.
I actually don't know anybody who believes in " a magic sky daddy." Do you?
However, it is common for folks to strawman other folks views. Far easier than dealing with someone's actual views. (And I plead guilty to doing this sometimes myself btw)
a partial list of things he apparently said:
Great. This is what I was looking for
Gay people should be stoned to death
This is legit bad stuff. Did he actually say this? I am highly skeptical. Maybe someone can provide proof.
I'll heretofore call this the POS test (POST), does it make him a POS the way a highschooler uses that term? POST: True
Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
What do you think the percentage is? Anyone in the US should be well aware of how seriously DEI initiatives tip the scales of meritocracy in some fields. We can argue about whether this is true specifically concerning blacks in aviation. But it's beside the point. I guarantee a very large percentage of the US population has reservations when they see a black pilot.
Statement is barely an exaggeration and may be strictly true. POST: False
No one should be allowed to retire
The fictional SS "trust fund" faces dire circumstances. It's nothin nice.
POST: F
Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
The Constitution was intended to allow states the greatest possible autonomy, including freedom of association. The same people who decry "fascism" are the first to don their Kaiser helmets and tell us why states rights — the sine qua non of the Constitution — are to be crushed by central fedgov like the Red Army. If an entire state voted to keep out leftists, such is their right.
POST: F, not even close
British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
Statement is largely true by most objective measures that count. POST: F
The guy who assaulted the Pelosis should be bailed out
In my view, the left is barred from even discussing anything pertaining to criminal justice given the shocking extent of their horrifying track record. CJ is one area where politics can make a tremendous difference in the lives of average people. The left has made many of their own constituents' lives a protracted march through hell.
POST: No standing
Religious freedom should be terminated
This is a weird comment. Again, I half wonder if he actually made it. If so, I have to concede, depending on context POST:T
Multiple black politicians "stole white people’s spots"
Not exactly sure what he means here. Is he referring to actual urban election fraud? That is a very real thing in America. Jerrymandering is as well. Unless he's referring to demonstrable election fraud, looks like exaggerated rhetoric. But intentional hyperbole doesn't make one a POS
POST: Meaning of statement unclear
MLK Jr was "an awful person"
He's likely referring to King's documented plagiarism as well as his coke-fueled BDSM sessions with allegedly unwitting prostitutes, among other eccentricities. A huge number of people consider beating up women, whore or not, grounds for someone being labeled an awful person.
POST: F
The Great Replacement Theory is reality
All but the strongest versions are an inarguable mathematical fact. I can't imagine anyone but Wikipedia's mendacious editors is dumb enough to even attempt to disagree. Even stronger versions have documented merit, even if legit conspiracy-level versions are dubious. See Kevin MacDonald's work. (Good luck if you want to try to hand wave that away with ad hom, ad auctoritatem etc, MacDonald is a top flight scholar, which is why no one even debates him. They'll lose. )
POST: F
Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
Did he actually say that? No one, including the medical community, had a good handle on Covid anytime in early 2020.
POST: F
Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
Anyone who disagrees with this is naive to the point of likely being a serious danger to themselves. I say that with no exaggeration. The receipts are all over Youtube.
POST: F, with spectacular flying colors
Women’s natural place is under their husband’s control
This is a bit crass and has a Biblical ring. Replace husband with mate and control with guadianship, and you have a formulation rooted in solid evo-psych. With something like 30% of D-voting women on antidepressants, maybe like Charlie we should be asking some of these questions in a bit more detail.
POST: F
Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
Sounds misguided. The fact I disagree doesn't make him a POS.
POS: F
George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn’t
George Floyd didn't have it coming. But George Floyd put himself in the position he was in and was the prime mover in his own death. He would have still been alive if he hadn't ingested a polypharmacy overdose then resisted arrest after attempting to pass a counterfeit bill, the latter not some trifling misdemeanor.
But if CK said this, it's disrespectful. Context would matter a ton here imo and may move the score.
The Jan 6th trespassing in a building event is the most hysterically overblown nonstory I can think of in the history of America, no lie.
POST: F
The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
A catastrophic disaster rivaled in scope only by the Civil War.
New winner for most vapid assertion of POSdom. POS: F, twice over
Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization
I was going to mark this as POS eligible. But while this is a ham-fisted generalization, do we really need any more Muslim immigrants?
POST: F
Palestine "doesn’t exist" and those who support it are like the KKK.
This is bad stuff again. When and where did he say this?
POST: T, with flying colors
and i'm sure this only scratches the surface
I'm yardsticking this with the high-school variant of POS. The purported fact that the guy said any of even the bad things rises nowhere near an imminent threat of death or great bodily injury, to anyone. Deadly force is ofc not justified or even tailgating in justification's parking lot.
If he said the first, I can understand where gays would have concern. And if he said last, these are people at war for survival. Still, the US isn't Palestine. And we don't need Palestinians carrying out political violence here, no matter how compelling their case may be.
Listen to the podcast that I linked. Kirk said it would not be real love if you did not tell people the truth. His metaphor was, you would tell an alcoholic not to drink. So therefore you should tell a homosexual what?
The form of the inference seems to be symmetrical, no?
Like I said, Rubin was obviously well-aware of Kirk's views on the subject. Was Kirk was supposed to remind him what he already knew about what the Bible teaches? How many times?
By the way, I think it would be fine and wonderful if Kirk had reminded Rubin about what the Bible says on the subject. But I don't believe he was literally a hypocrite for not doing so.
And if I have a friend who is a drunkard, I can encourage him to stop drinking, but I can't tell him to stop drinking.
I, of course, can tell him what the Bible says about getting drunk.
He has said that black SCOTUS appointees have inferior brains.
Where did he say that? That sounds like a line delivered from a Central Casting Southern Klansman.
And let's distinguish here between shtposting on Twitter and publishing work under some halfway serious imprimatur. Would anyone here like their worst social media rant, or obvious jokes, taken as penalty-phase testimony for handing down death?
He has invented crime stats to slander black people.
Which?
Whenever any black person achieves any visible promotion he just asserts, with zero evidence, that is was due to affirmative action.
In any heavily g-loaded field — depending on black over- or underrepresentation — while the effect of DEI favoritism is relatively weak information, subject to quick updating as any new material facts become available, Kirk's position can be the correct default. Given pertinent conditions per the foregoing — which are frequently fulfilled — this is basic statistical reality, not subject to argument unless you want to start rejecting statistical logic itself.
It's also how the corporate world works. One has to be quite detached from the reality of the modern workplace to in good faith find fault with Kirk's position imo.
What is neo Marxism?
Marxism deals with class war. Neomarxism deals with race war. It's a synonym for CRT (and its lol praxis), a direct offshoot of Critical Theory, the various identity-based studies and the rest of the pseudoacademic grifts designed to fill very expensive collegiate seats.
I suspect everyone in this forum would agree that Clarence Thomas was a DEI nomination.
Listen to the podcast that I linked. Kirk said it would not be real love if you did not tell people the truth. His metaphor was, you would tell an alcoholic not to drink. So therefore you should tell a homosexual what?
The form of the inference seems to be symmetrical, no?
to fully abstain from sex for life, or to attempt to see if he/she has any interest in the other sex when he/she doesn't fulfill the main desire (IE if there is any latent bisexuality).
I am not sure what your criticism here is other than "religiosity is against homosexuals" which applies to everyone who is textualist religious in Christianity or islam
Can one of you 2+2 lefties explain what kind of anti-Murica, pro Antifa shirt this POS shooter is wearing?
By the time Cenk posted this we all saw the video of the guy fall off the roof and limp down the street wearing converse. That isn't a "professional who is gone with the wind." There is no conspiracy by the government to let this guy get away. Utah is a very big, mostly empty place. It can take time to find people hiding in big empty places. Look how long it took to find t
In a world where eyeballs and clicks are king, people have to get their takes out ASAP. And those takes better be hot, or at least warm. Otherwise they won't be repeated. This is a problem across the entire political spectrum. You obviously are correct that not every situation is amenable to snap conclusions.
Kirk's late shift away from undying Zionism to questioning whether Israel had allowed the October attacks and the ongoing genocide may have landed him in hot water.
"Is the media representing the truth when it comes to Israel?"
Shapiro's face
Trump just said a suspect is in custody.
I am a little disturbed by how rapidly "enhanced" photos of the suspect, especially "enhanced" photos of the suspect's shirt, emerged on the internet. I obviously have no problem with law enforcement using the latest technology to enhance the quality of photos in the hope of identifying murder suspects. But a lot of the enhanced photos I have seen look more like deliberate manipulations pushed by non-governmental sources who want to fuel one narrative or the other about the shooter's motives.
