The murder of Charlie Kirk

But here you fail to accept the existence of extremists killing the moderates on their own side.

I mean maybe it's because i am italian, but the communist brigate rosse assassinated the italian prime minister because he was opening to the communist party to form a coalition government. Perhaps the most leftist prime minister we had till that point since ww2.

They were not in favour of any compromise with "capital" so they kidnapped and killed him.

It is not strange for ultra extremists on one side to kill the moderate (or just "less extremist") people on their own side who they feel "compromise ideologically" with the enemy. Kirk was actually a moderate (except for abortion). There is a famous video of kirk defending acceptance of homosexuals within the MAGA movement against a radical conservative student who didn't for example.

Kirk was adamantly pro israel so anti-israel neonazis could very easily find him as a proper target. He was more dangerous for neonazis than a leftist pro israel can be these days, because republicans are governing.

Sure, but some of us like to point to the actions of insane people and try to use it as proof that our worldview is correct 😀

How did that work out. why would an extremist ever target the more closer political person then the furthest from their beliefs? wheres the logic in that? you can't kill everyone! Its incredibly rare and at that point their probably just killing to be famous over politics.

Also in the example you mentioned there was motive. that Italian guy seems to have been the frontrunner in the next election for their said of the party. But that was just one example if its even true and an outlier. im googling it now this was not even an assassination it was a hostage situation where they tried to get their allies released.

Also Italian politics in the 1970's were way more complicated then the low tier 2 party us system. There it really is just "us vs them" Parliamentary systems have many party's and agendas

A few thoughts:

Knowing the political orientation of the shooter seems more important to the political parties and propagandists than reality is.
I find it very pointless to argue about it in regards to the young age.

Most 22 year olds have had the chance to vote very few times, and most of them vote by duty and not really by conviction.
22 year old that are deeply engaged in politics are not the norm.
Didn't check any stats but I see all my 20 y/o friends kids are completely oblivious to what's going on and have not yet acquired the nuances of politics.

Now for the ''bad take of the day'' ,we're told it's the leftist that turned ''good people'' into murderers.
If you were in bad faith you could say conservative/christian breeding doesn't produce stable/strong people, otherwise they wouldn't be so often easily influenced.
It really sounds like you gotta blame someone, and might as well be the demonic left.

But if you ask me:

Hmm.. would be money wasted if attorney cant do anything about “private” social post.

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/19674601363...

Gavin Newsome is on the right

Political orientation is good for points scoring and I mean it could be useful. But lets say the guy was a far right guy or even a far left guy who was in a relationship with a trans person and decided to kill Charlie Kirk, not because of ideology, but partly because of what Charlie was saying about people like his partner and partly for the lulz. His transgender partner, from what it's been reported, was aghast and cooperated with the police, instead of what the stereotype of TRANSGENDER MADDNESS would assume that they should have told the cops to **** off and wave a transgender flag. Where does that leave the narrative?

Are you a poker player I am being serious because how can someone that understand probability and data not understand variance in life? You play premium because it is "expect" to win long term. Now you bring that into reality where a group of Christian is going to be +ev for society. Does that mean that every single one of them will win every time? I am not sure of the whole left side is +ev atm. Cheering for someone death because they have an opinion that you disagree with but it not ok to be fired over it.

Edit: Sorry I meant to say is are you a winning poker player. A lot of guys don't win anymore on here wonder if it due to not being able to adapt to reality.

were you responding to another post ?
I really have difficulties to understand what you are talking about.

"If you were in bad faith you could say conservative/christian breeding doesn't produce stable/strong people, otherwise they wouldn't be so often easily influenced.
It really sounds like you gotta blame someone, and might as well be the demonic left."

Sorry I should quote this. I guess poker skill is hard to transfer to other set of life skill. Where you can't see the similar in misconception a fish would in thinking that AA seem to always lose to. Hm.. I see sometime that a person that seem to believe in Jesus would do such a horrible think, I guess that must be Christian are awful.

wtf??

Have a nice day sir!

Now your Hinckley example DOES prove that my choice to use John Lennon was ignorant, stupid and ridiculous!

The Harrison case didn't prove a thing, but your Hinckley example totally undermines my original point.

You are right and I was wrong.

I always try to acknowledge when I'm wrong about something.

Make it a great day!

Huh???

FD's wild take-

This kid was raised in Utah (anyone been there? - it's fkn strange to begin with), in the cult of LDS. He was raised by two conservative LDS members, and Trump supporters. He was a complete gun nut. He inscribed 4chan/groyper type sayings on his bullet casings. He dressed up like Pepe the frog for halloween one year. He drove a challenger. We were initially told he was super close to his family, although that story has suddenly been changing to him being a black sheep - but online photos and things don't quite prove that out. He got a scholarship to a conservative leaning college, dropped out and joined a trade school.

Now if we stopped the story right there, I think 97%+ of this sub would probably say, he's clearly right-wing and was raised w/ right wing values.

But now we're being told he's uncooperative by police, even though he voluntarily turned himself in. We're getting accounts from family that he was changing, distancing himself, and that he had some trans roommate (which appears to be true). That Tyler hated Kirk. There's likely major pressure from the LDS church (which they called first on this matter before authorities), is putting pressure on the family to distance themselves (speculation). Meanwhile, he's under strict surveillance and it appears mental evaluation. He's not being allowed to speak. The FBI has his discord and all his surfing history. They could make as much of this public right now as they want. But they haven't even allowed a peep. Discord as only said he was kicked off their servers for violating policy. They've turned that info over to the FBI.

The administration came out hard that this was someone on the left, and we need to seek revenge etc... everyone from the president, to vice president, to talking heads, pundits, news anchors, you name it.

But what is he wasn't?

How would you cover or recover from that overreaction w/ no credible evidence? What are the steps you'd take to frame this to your original narrative?

And that's all I'm going to say.

He's a 22 y/o kid. If people want to make him out as a representative for half our country... you're only doing it because you want violence, not because you're being rational in any way.

It says to me that she loved her husband and what he stood for and is making it clear that his death is not the end of their mission.

What do you think it says about her?

you will quickly learn no one here wins in poker anymore. Only absolutes

It's not just a common theme....it's the MAIN theme.

This is what i mean by not being a f.ucking idiot and doing something stupid you not going to be a hero. You are going to end up being betrayed by the very same side that you think you doing good by killing a facist, so they can fabricated things on the side they hate.

This is what communist in my country use to do. They are willing to sacrificed anyone for a good causes in their believe and once they are in power the game change. All sudden cronie capitalism is good.

thats not a 2+2 problem tho. most posters anywhere on the internet are not open to debating ideas. just reinforcing the ones they already believe. shame

It will be interesting how long they keep this kid alive to tell his tale.

1/3d of this country has always wanted it broken apart, and we've been fighting this our entire American history. They tend to side w/ all our international enemies that wish for the same, and these cycles seem to never end. They just have to keep pushing the intolerance vs tolerance button enough, and these wars break out from within.

I was correct. This guy was a leftist and was motivated by trans. This was pretty obvious.

We have a leftist problem in this nation folks.

A very reasonable take and summary thus far.

Not a reasonable take.

I really don't think it's that straight forward. One reason is that the roommate wasn't involved and didn't know about Robinson's involvement until well after. The other is the little I've seen so far from the trans community is terror over the blowback. I mean sure, they're not mourning his death and if Kirk had killed himself while cleaning his assault rifle, I would expect to see them basically dancing in the streets. But they know what's coming and I think any trans considering something like that would see it too. Doesn't mean he couldn't have been just a leftist or campus activist but those people tend to leave a substantial social media presence, which there's no indication of here.

Motive wise, the only actual evidence we've seen so far is the argument with his family over Kirk. But aside from the obvious, there's also room for this to have been to cause his parents pain.

I disagree it was obvious. And we still don't know for sure if the murder was trans motivated, do we?