The murder of Charlie Kirk

This is online discussion, not in person, so I'm comparing it with other online discussions. I don't think comparison with self selected friends is particularly relevant.

Sigh..

Hey, we actually agree on something important! Although I do think mommy and daddy should be blamed for the way you were treated. I hope you no longer have any contact with your abusers.

Alright, I guess I’ll be a dick.

I’m comparing it to the other 12 year olds I took college courses with over summers when I was a kid. Every one of them was smarter as a 12 year old than about 60% of the people here, and that’s a generous estimation.

We’re not in the same bubbles.

I know this will just get a snarky reply, but isn’t this the same “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” rhetoric that conservatives love? I mean sure you can see how they would also think that people who aren’t doing well in life just didn’t try hard enough, just like how you think that people raised in a certain environment just didn’t choose the right ethics in spite of that?

I personally think that if we really don’t think people’s upbringing are somewhat of at least a causal explanation for why they are a certain way, it gives us a much more dour view of human action. We really would have to just think that when people believe horrible things there is nothing that accounts for that except making a horrible choice to believe that. In that way, people’s morality starts to feel arbitrary because when they make a bad choice the only thing that explains that is the choice that they made.

I personally don’t believe that and place a lot more stock on environment and other causal explanations for belief rather than free rational choice

Blame and shame, is always a losing game.

Thanks, I don’t ♥

But to caveat this, a massive ton of these people are arrogant dicks, myself sometimes included

By chance was it through Duke University? Because I was offered admission to their similar program after taking the SAT in 6th or 7th grade. Couldn't afford the cost though.

But that bubble is not a good comparison. No bubble is, which is why I'm comparing with other random online discourse.

I also got the highest test scores in my high school, which had the most national merit scholars (based on the PSST) of any school in the state.
I was in an intellectual bubble in high school.

No, you mean you would need to keep doing that every 10 years or any imbalance in who controls power would ensure that a difference in wealth accumulation would show up again.

If you hung in some smarty-pants circles, you should watch the episode from the Studio, "Pediatric oncologist", that probably encapsulates this all pretty well. Very cleverly written, at least.

It was. We've had this discussion before. A bunch of people here took the SAT at the age for the same reason.

Our son took the ACT to qualify ~20 years ago.

Even though you grew up in a conservative household, just be glad it was in a culture where you were had the option of leaving.

Many women in the world (and even in the US) don’t have this option, especially ones belonging to a culture where a certain Holy book explicitly states the punishment for women committing blasphemy of this type is death.

In the actual existing world -- outside the US, where everything is just recreational bourgeois cosplay -- tankies are aggressive British doctrinaire Communists who supported Soviet repression in Eastern Europe, particularly the sending of Red Army tanks into Prague in 1968, and could definitely not be considered 'liberals' even in the frankly bizarre US use of that term.

Then stop pretending you can’t see the difference in people. This was in the 90s btw

I’ve been in an oddly wide variety of circles. It’s by no means been limited to intellectuals. I mean, hell, I spent the poker boom around gamblers. Hardly the smartest bunch, no matter how much they self aggrandize themselves as such. But it’s the variety that’s led to a hyper-awareness of exactly where each group is going to level out in terms of ethics and abilities.

Mine was in the 80s.

But I don't know what you think I'm pretending not to see. I told you how I was making the comparison, you told me what comparison you were using.

You're comparing the people here with those in an elite group, not with the general public. I think my comparison is with people much more representative of the average American.

I wonder what they were really looking for…

My 12yo score was still higher than the state average for seniors, and I hadn’t pre-algebra yet. I mean, forgive me for being judgmental but yeah on the face of it people seem pretty dumb… Or maybe the education system really is just not assisting people in living up to their fullest potential. I don’t know. I was educated in Ny and we had it prettyyyyy good.

Uh, no, in no way do I express any gratitude whatsoever to this culture for my experience in it, only a deep sense of injustice for those still suffering

Quite incredible how you have all these super intelligent beings in one room but they keep talking past each other.

I'm not surprised. I just checked and the average SAT scores in the 1980s and 1990s were around 1000. That isn't very high. They probably were just looking to get their hooks into the 1 in a million kid who was going to change the world through sheer intelligence. And parents inevitably are intrigued by the idea that little Lord (or Lady) ****pants might be a super genius.

They did give us surveys with odd questions each year..

My father told me I couldn’t go. He wasn’t going to pay for me to be educated at one of those liberal colleges. I wouldn’t have been able to attend if it weren’t for my mother.

He hit the ****ing roof when I got a full ride to a Christian college (that I didn’t even ask for, they tried to get me for sports) but chose to go to an 40k a year art school instead. Lmfao.

It means it explains a lot about your posting ….

Ps: and when a crazy radical government comes for you , please don’t come here and complaining hypocritically.
This action vs Kimmel do hurts both sides….just not simultaneously.