Are video games,birth rate, drugs, and changes irt masculinity actually a problem for the west?
I use the term changes toward masculinity. Some people believe masculinity is under attack. Others simply say that there
college is FREE IN FINLAND. Free as in tuition is ZERO EUR.
this proves beyond reasonable doubt IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU CLAIM IT IS
Cherry-picking isolated stats from various countries doesn't mean much. Your real claim is simply Everyone Is Lying lol.
Maybe it's not the entire western world that's out of touch with reality but just you dude 😀
Cherry-picking isolated stats from various countries doesn't mean much. Your real claim is simply Everyone Is Lying lol.
Maybe it's not the entire western world that's out of touch with reality but just you dude 😀
We know they are lying about why they don't have children. We know it because even if you *double their income* fertility rates go up only like +0.1 children per woman.
If we had something like people making 200k/year having 2.5 children and people making 70k having 1.5, you would have a very strong argument.
But they have 1.5 and 1.58 or something like that ok? so we know *for a fact*, *for a certainty*, that's not it.
Who's "we" the voices in your head?
Im at the mall and just saw a fdangerous symbol of white supremacy, i might be too traumatized to post about this now:
I guess they would still be around in the age of trump. Theres another example of the failure of white male culture.
I think of the pontoon boats riding onto the beaches in Normandy and what it takes to face almost certain death so that the community can survive. I contemplate that and I wonder "would incels do that?".I don't think so. Lacking incentives for men is only a problem if you need men to fight wars or if you don't want a bunch of dudes milling around pointlessly and then start thin
the right wing male culture is currently too afraid to talk to girls or eat a quesadilla.
If you had a bunch of like pro BLM woke people in America during World War II we wouldÂ’ve gotten crushed.
I don't think so. Woke BLM people are trying to defend people. The WWII effort was mobilized around defending America. Do you see the common thread there? Just judging by the expressions and art of the WWII it seemed like American men were fighting for their future. But if you think your future is getting rejected by women on dating apps and being chained to a cubicle until AI makes you destitute, are you going to go fight for that future? I honestly don't think we could muster the forces to do anything like WWII again. Do foreign tanks rolling down our streets even get dudes off the game? I don't know.
I'm not coming down here one way or the other on masculinity. I think we can agree it's not worth what it used to be. Is that a problem? Is something a problem when there is no possible solution for it? because it doesn't look like that toothpaste is going back in the tube. You give women access to resources and they start acting like men. Who knew? And the whole system doesn't seem to work as well when both sexes act like men as the system wasn't designed that way. But what are you going to do? Tell women they can't have careers? That would be ridiculous and infeasible and, in my estimation, morally wrong. So we just live with it and if we get invaded who cares maybe the Chinese can do it better than we can. The West is sitting here supporting an open, live streamed genocide. It's done. Put more estrogen spoofing agents in the food supply. Pay women more than men intentionally. Tell more men they need to trim their crotch hair. Design more wearable baby carriers for men, but specifically for men who are just friends of the mother of the baby and it's not their baby. Give more criticism for stoicism on the one hand and open the bin way wider for what is considered mansplaining on the other hand when men do speak.
You don't understand, radical feminism makes it impossible for zoomers to [strike]get laid[/strike] talk to the opposite sex
I don't think it has ever been easier for a boy in the first world to get laid tbh.
Like it almost feels like a scam for us 1 generation apart, unless we were top tier we had to put in significant effort to get laid.
Now it's like you have to say no or be overwhelmed by girls just if you are normal because the competition is so embarassing and low level it's like you are playing a demo.
I might be biased but i can't conceptually understand incel culture given that. It's like a dream scenario for any boy who is willing to put a minimum effort in.
Now finding a girl to settle might indeed be harder than before for various reasons. But getting laid? never been easier
I don't think it has ever been easier for a boy in the first world to get laid tbh. Like it almost feels like a scam for us 1 generation apart, unless we were top tier we had to put in significant effort to get laid.Now it's like you have to say no or be overwhelmed by girls just if you are normal because the competition is so embarassing and low level it's like you are playing
While probably true it wasn't exactly rocket science 20 years ago either
Turns out people enjoy this sex thing
While probably true it wasn't exactly rocket science 20 years ago either
Turns out people enjoy this sex thing
It was easier 20 years ago than 50 years ago for sure but you needed to put more effort in.
But to be clear i was thinking of Italy, in fact 20 years ago everyone who went to anglo countries or germany or the netherlands (not france or spain though) always reported an exceptionally easier play field already.
Now that's here as well, while it was fairly tough (comparatively) 20 years ago.
Basically the collective game women used to play (keep access hard so they can control the game and the outcome) collapsed with enough women defecting, and when it's fairly easy to have some sex with some decent woman all the others either have to open up a lot or lose access to the best men, and this is what happened.
A woman can't delay access to nurture some investment from the man anymore, because he can keep a **** friend in the meanwhile with ease so he will never sacrifice as much as before to access the woman basically. Nor he will be willing to commit a lot to the woman as he was before to have her.
I think boys have it far better than ever and girls have it worse than ever , under the assumption boys are very much ok with easy sex access without deep commitment while girls tend to require deep commitment to be satisfied (there are exceptions of course).
That's why i don't understand incels existing
It was easier 20 years ago than 50 years ago for sure but you needed to put more effort in. But to be clear i was thinking of Italy, in fact 20 years ago everyone who went to anglo countries or germany or the netherlands (not france or spain though) always reported an exceptionally easier play field already.Now that's here as well, while it was fairly tough (comparatively) 20 y
Their are incels, then their are those who are trying but not having success…. Anyway, the numbers are simply the numbers. Not sure about Italy but in America it’s over 60% of young men whom are single.
It’s worth noting that men are not as strong as they were 30 years ago as well. When it comes to various exercise categories.
“The Rise Of Weak Men - Breaking Down Toxic Masculinity In America Today”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6o769KbypR...
For example, a public health study of US adults released in 2020 found that between 2016 and 2018, whereas 19.1 percent of young women aged 18 to 24 had not had sex in the last year, 30.9 percent of young men had not.
To go with this, a study by Date Psychology into US adults found that 45 percent of young men between the ages of 18 and 25 in the US had never approached a woman.
What makes this especially crazy, is that the same study found that 77 percent of women between 18 and 30 wanted to be approached more by men.
Yep, that many. That means the desire from women is there, it’s just we’ve seemingly created a situation where men — especially young ones— have been scared off from approaching.
It perhaps makes sense why, a mixture of extreme feminism, woke culture and more have led to a world where many young men fear being labelled a creep if they approach women, making them favour dating apps, which women tend to avoid.
Inevitably, this has created a situation where men and women are more often looking for each other in the wrong places.
Young Italian men are experiencing issues as well. Not exactly the same as those in the USA, but in a similar category perhaps.
Italian men, in fact, still find it too difficult to cleanly sever the umbilical cord, and end up staying at home with their parents well into their 30s.
Now experts believe that the nationwide Oedipal complex might cause more serious damage than the endless complaints of aspiring wives: men's chronic refusal to move on might be responsible for the drastic decline of Italy’s birth rate.
To go with this, a study by Date Psychology into US adults found that 45 percent of young men between the ages of 18 and 25 in the US had never approached a woman.
What makes this especially crazy, is that the same study found that 77 percent of women between 18 and 30 wanted to be approached more by men.
You should be more careful with your sources. The "study" by date psychology is an absolute farce. No actual research paper was written. No methodology or peer review. The guy just polled a couple hundred people on social media and called it a day.
Anyone writing essays on medium drawing conclusions from this is deeply unserious.
Young Italian men are experiencing issues as well. Not exactly the same as those in the USA, but in a similar category perhaps.
people left their family later in italy than everywhere else in the first world even 20 and 30 years ago.
that has much to do with super terrible job conditions for young people in most areas coupled with most households actually owning their house for good. So you either stay there for free or go work for 1200 per month take home with no career prospects and spend that to live in a shitty house yourself. The numbers just aren't there in many areas.
You should be more careful with your sources. The "study" by date psychology is an absolute farce. No actual research paper was written. No methodology or peer review. The guy just polled a couple hundred people on social media and called it a day.
Anyone writing essays on medium drawing conclusions from this is deeply unserious.
OK, what are you trying to get at here? . Because pew reports that over 60% of young men are single. So there’s the big picture.
There are many sources for reporting about the record numbers of single men, the record numbers of sexless young men and young men who are completely out of the dating world.
“Why single men aren’t approaching women in person anymore: ‘I’m so sick of this’”
Posting the pictures there because the links do not actually show the headline or the data and information within it. Just for the one or two trolls(not you) who whine about that kind of stuff.
My point is that I think the rise in these nonsense culture war peddlers are a big factor in the male loneliness issue and I don't think we should be looking to them for answers.
They want men to be angry and perpetual victims because that's what creates the most online engagement. This is deeply unattractive to women. I actually agree with lucy that it's quite easy to get laid these days if you're able to separate yourself from these zealots and don't think feminism is some evil existential threat.
My point is that I think the rise in these nonsense culture war peddlers are a big factor in the male loneliness issue and I don't think we should be looking to them for answers. They want men to be angry and perpetual victims because that's what creates the most online engagement. This is deeply unattractive to women. I actually agree with lucy that it's quite easy to get laid
it's easier to get laid because of feminism, and that can still be an evil existential threat, because while getting laid is easier than ever, solid couple formation is harder than ever for the same reasons, and that is a big big problem for society.
Anyway an underdiscussed element that causes young men a lot of problems is they don't drink anymore as much as we did. The health activists basically won that battle and the results are tragic. Alcohol has always been a social lubricant and removing it is utterly bad for social relationships, especially sexual ones.
Solid couple formation is hard because we have a massive cohort of institutionalized victim mindset incels who are thoroughly unattractive to the opposite sex while thinking they deserve lots of casual sex from ultra attractive women
Part of why we have this massive institutionalized cohort is because of borderline ******ed toxic social media personalities
I know this because I was deep into PUA (precursor to modern manosphere) from 2004 until ~2015 and know that PUA was all about being attractive to the opposite sex (sometimes in a toxic manner) while modern manosphere nonsense is about appealing to insecurity
My point is that I think the rise in these nonsense culture war peddlers are a big factor in the male loneliness issue and I don't think we should be looking to them for answers. They want men to be angry and perpetual victims because that's what creates the most online engagement. This is deeply unattractive to women. I actually agree with lucy that it's quite easy to get laid
People are attracted to all kinds of things.
I suspect the main reason young people have less sex on average is that they on average socialize less (in person).
I suspect the main reason young people have less sex on average is that they on average socialize less (in person).
Lot of people tend to blame social media for this (and they aren’t entirely wrong). But, I think the death of third spaces is under discussed in this decline. There’s fewer places for people to congregate without a price tag attached. Poor economy and low wages further exacerbates the issue.
