The murder of Charlie Kirk

The subject of this thread claimed to be Protestant who was considering converting to Catholic. It's absurd. In fact, many in my family have abandoned religion for the MAGA movement and no longer identify with any faith, as they retain some shred of logical consistency. I find it very strange that any MAGA supporter can claim to follow the teachings of Christ.

Some say, "They’re Orthodox or Evangelical and believe in the Old Testament," or something similar. But let’s take a closer look at what the Old Testament actually commands.

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

So you don't think there is anyone in any situation that needs protection?

Well, come on. Of course we're talking about law-abiding gun carriers and not criminals.

Is your last sentence more hyperbolic garbage, or is this another example where carrying a gun is illegal in your mind and you don't care what the laws specify in that person's jurisdiction?

I mean shiit, bro, you can't say that most people who carry a gun are anything but law-abiding right after you admit that you don't personally know of anyone who carries a gun outside of hunting.

Personally, all else equal, I'd trust a person more who carries and doesn't hunt over a person who doesn't carry but hunts, but that's another topic.

Yes, I should have specified that I'm not talking about the MAGA fukktards here but rather talking about the sensible posters.

Since the poster saw the gun in Walmart, I assumed open carry was the profile we were talking about.

The wokesters are probably closer followers of Christian doctrine than the MAGA folks. Starting about 40 min into this Tom Holland explains how a lot of things today are a continuation of Christianity:

Exactly. Although this doesn't mean what you think it means.

Let me ask you this . He was outspoken that homosexuality was a sin but said love all. If he was to not hire someone because they were gay would you call him a bigot?

Not sure why you wouldn't want to call him a bigot there. That's pretty much the definition.

It's pretty much exactly what he was. I would add that he was also cosplaying an intellectual but other than that pretty spot on description of who Charlie Kirk was. Problem is, when people quote you hours of the **** he said that does show he was a hatemonger/provocateur. You'll claim it's quoted out of context.

No I would not want him to call Charlie a bigot because he welcomed all the gay individuals into the conservative party unlike the Democrats Presidential candidate Kamala Harris she stated in her book she did not select Pete as VP candidate because he was gay . That is bigotry

These 2 things are literally the same thing. In your hypothetical Charlie would obviously be a bigot. Sure he says love all but he also doesn't hire gays cause they're gays aka he's a bigot.

Or was this some ''gotcha'' to get someone to admit that Kamala is a bigot? Which she obviously is if she doesn't select people for positions in her admin because they're gay.

You could stop and help a gay person change their tire but then if you won't hire them because they're gay you're still a bigot.

I think it could be argued that its not bigotry if she didn't pick Pete because hes gay AND that he was gay was going to cost them votes

Thats more a strategic positioning that voters are bigots but I don't really care at all if we want to call Kamala a bigot

We had one of our own self immolate over this guy

:salute:

I agree but the same was true for people saying a woman shouldn't run and that was called a mysogynist argument so...

Saying she would lose because voters are misogynistic isn't misogynistic but it should be noted that when people (like me) argued that her being a woman of color played a material part in her losing the election it was vehemently shot down here by people who refused to vote for her for reasons like "her laugh annoys me"

So if you were called a misogynist during those conversations I'm sure there is more of a reason than saying voters are misogynist

she lost bc the Dems preferred to burn children alive than beat Trump. she even admits it in her book.

she lost because dems were divided on Israel Palestine and got mad at each other* fixed it for ya
while the right just ignored its far right jew haters unlike the left

I think this is what happens to semi-famous online personalities a lot of the time. Their usual stick starts getting old so they need to get more and more outlandish to keep getting views.

Tucker interviewed by Glenn Greenwald.. who is gay and Jewish. Tucker and Glenn have collaborated many times going back years.

Glenn was taken by by the coordinated effort by the Israeli media and a portion of fanatically pro-Israel Republicans to smear Carlsons speech at the funeral of Charlie Kirk as antisemitic.

Carlson responded with the point that recently we are witnessing antisemites and Zionists seeing the world through the same lens. They are totally paranoid…they see antisemitism everywhere especially when it suits them politically. Also as part of the speech Carlson talked about how Christians need to look inward and concentrate on the mistakes they’ve made and learn from them. He talked about how that is how Kirk lived.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=62aICp003p...

Yeah that’s sort of a big problem with white christianity. When you have people like Kirk treated as an evangelical leader who say stuff like empathy is a new age thing/bad and are against the civil rights act, it’s hard to tell what exactly the religion is supposed to be about. Besides hate and white extremism of course

The issue w/ all of Kirk's many bigoted and misogynistic things he's said is very much the opposite is actually the truth. That's how far away MAGA are from truth and anything good on any of these subjects.

EX: "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

To the people who live in reality, we know quite the opposite of this statement is true. If the pilot happens to be black, it's most likely they had to be twice as good and work twice as hard as his white counterparts.

The DEI attacks were a bigoted farce, as even though companies would be encouraged to give other people opportunities, that didn't erase the reality of the uphill battle on racism they faced.

Yes. He participated in many horrible attacks on groups, indeed it appears he was shot over the group he attacked the most. by somone who ironically didnt have the emotional tools to deal with his issues because he grew up in a conservative environment.

So than you would support any company that decides yeah I will not hire that gay person as it mike make my employees uncomfortable?

No Kamala is a bigot plane and simple. I actually think Pete was a better candidate the Tampon stolen valor Tim

Probably but you are really just telling on yourself by saying Tim Walz was stolen valor

Legitimately unreal levels of disrespect from the side who claims to have utmost respect for service men