If you lived in Minneapolis, and an ICE agent demand ID.....
......would you comply. (You have broken no law. You're just walking into the grocery store.)
Why or Why not?
The comments from non-Americans (for the record I'm also not American) about him carrying a gun are essentially equivalent to someone from a Muslim country commenting on how a woman was dressed before being raped.
The gun culture might seem insane to us, and there's some truth in how it impacts the risk, but it in no way justifies anything that happened to him and people constantly bringing it up is victim blaming in exactly the same way that bringing up how a woman was dressed when she was raped would be victim blaming.
A dress isn't a deadly weapon, and as such you don't need a permit to wear a short skirt.
The comments from non-Americans (for the record I'm also not American) about him carrying a gun are essentially equivalent to someone from a Muslim country commenting on how a woman was dressed before being raped.The gun culture might seem insane to us, and there's some truth in how it impacts the risk, but it in no way justifies anything that happened to him and people constan
I like guns. They're fun to shoot and look cool. I can't imagine ever being someone to carry one. Seems like it increases the chances of something bad happening. It's just never good to add a gun to any situation.
B***h ass cops always clinch their butts when they find out there is a citizen exercising their 2nd amendment right in their presence and they're basically seal team six level training compared to the ICE clowns.
I haven't done any research and I'm on no side in this. But it seems him having a gun on him was a major factor causing him to get shot.
Yet if this were nearly any state police force in the US using six cops to subdue a pepper-sprayed "suspect," he would have never been shot.
And for the few incredibly incompetent state police forces that would have resulted with him being shot with six guys on top and beating him, it wouldn't have gone down by grabbing his holstered firearm first and shooting him after he was disarmed.
Note for Victor: six cops subduing and beating a guy may result in a guy being beaten to death by cops that each want to get their licks in, but he would not be shot. If it's two cops, perhaps, but they wouldn't have attempted to disarm him - they would have just shot him and claimed his hands were going toward his waist (regardless if they saw a weapon or not).
The point is there is no police force so untrained that six cops can't contain the two arms of a DYEL after he was just pepper sprayed.
Because I'm not an American, wasn't there, and my knowledge of this particular event is just a couple of articles I read describing the incident. I'm probably on the same side as you, just saying him taking a gun there is absurd, but maybe to an American it's not.
We'll see what happens. If enough Americans show disgust in the illegal actions of federal agents, then this will stop.
If instead the government continues its pressure against its citizens because half the country approves of the government overstepping the US Constitution, then you can expect formed militias to take up arms.
I don't support an armed solution because I think there's a very easy and non-violent solution, but you can't expect a heavy 2nd Amendment country to not form militias when "the security of a free state" is at risk.
The comments from non-Americans (for the record I'm also not American) about him carrying a gun are essentially equivalent to someone from a Muslim country commenting on how a woman was dressed before being raped.The gun culture might seem insane to us, and there's some truth in how it impacts the risk, but it in no way justifies anything that happened to him and people constan
lol wtf does a Muslim country have to do with it? gotta love the casual liberal racism.
The point was about cultural norms causing people to have bad takes and most Muslim countries have very different cultural norms for women's dress to the US in the same way that most western countries have very different cultural norms for gun possession to the US. Do you disagree with that assessment?
The comments from non-Americans (for the record I'm also not American) about him carrying a gun are essentially equivalent to someone from a Muslim country commenting on how a woman was dressed before being raped.The gun culture might seem insane to us, and there's some truth in how it impacts the risk, but it in no way justifies anything that happened to him and people constan
"someone from a Muslim country" and it's exactly the same thing men in America and Europe say about rape victims.
"someone from a Muslim country" and it's exactly the same thing men in America and Europe say about rape victims.
As I said to Victor, my point was about differing cultural norms resulting in bad takes about something that happened within different norms. Those bad takes are by no means exclusive to people from places with different cultural norms (and not that the takes are ever excusable but they're even less so without the different cultural norms) but I was trying to make the point to those looking at this situation through the lens of their own countries' norms about gun culture when American culture is so radically different in this regard.
Meanwhile, these people exist.
In a post on X on Sunday, Bill Melugin, congressional correspondent for Fox News, said he had spoken to over half a dozen federal sources in immigration enforcement, including several in senior positions, about their disappointment with the department’s handling of the fatal shooting.
Melugin said his sources admitted they had grown “uneasy and frustrated” with the “claims and narratives” pushed by DHS after Pretti’s death.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-ci...
According to this article, people in immigration enforcement are getting disappointed, uneasy, and frustrated with DHS officials lying their faces off any time there is violence related to ICE.
If we don't do something fast, these people might become miffed, irked, or possibly even vexed.
If one is to bring a gun anywhere for self-defense, it should be concealed. By carrying openly, you are drawing attention to yourself and it's usually going to not be the kind of attention you want. He was carrying concealed.Still, since all the protestors are civilians on the same side (e.g., BLM protests/riots had civilians from both sides in opposition), there is very little
these posts are great and sum up my positions
I don't necessarily want her to shut up. But much of what she says now makes me think that she is capable of rational thought. And that makes me more judgmental in certain respects about her prior behavior than I would have been if I simply thought she was a crazy true believer. Put another way, at this point, it's hard to believe that she ever believed a lot of the bullshi
agreed, it's too little too late and only after she's been essentially shunned by the rest of MAGA for standing strong on Epstein releases
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-ci...According to this article, people in immigration enforcement are getting disappointed, uneasy, and frustrated with DHS officials lying their faces off any time there is violence related to ICE. If we don't do something fast, these people might become miffed, irked, or possib
And at some point they might even get their panties in a wad and a bee in their bonnet.
In addition to being unprincipled, Kristi Noem also seems to be dumb. And she might be the worst person in the world at crisis management.
On Saturday, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem was asked to clarify if Pretti had brandished a gun and said agents fired what she called "defensive shots" while trying to disarm Pretti.
"They responded according to their training, and took action to defend the officer's life and those of the public around him. And, I don't know of any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign."
I fear that the bolded is true, but it is an asinine thing to say under the circumstances.
Most of these people are just dumb. Like sack of hammers dumb. She's certainly no exception.
Next time one of these DFs explains how you shouldn't be "brandishing" your weapons at protests, remind them that they didn't always believe this.
Because I'm not an American, wasn't there, and my knowledge of this particular event is just a couple of articles I read describing the incident. I'm probably on the same side as you, just saying him taking a gun there is absurd, but maybe to an American it's not.
I'm an American. I'm older now, and cops mostly leave me alone. but when I was younger I was unjustly abused by them regularly, and so was everyone I know with the wrong color skin. and poor white people too.
black people and native get it the worst statistically. it's a fairly big part of your life to fear the police. still everytime I see I cop I get triggered. and I'm even more scared of ice.
things were so bad that black people formed the black panther party, and would go out in groups openly carrying rifles just to defend themselves and their fellow citizens from police. it was wildly successful. cops stopped harassing and killing black people.
in response california passed gun legislation. feds infiltrated the Panthers. assassinated members, and imprisoned them.
organized armed resistance is effective. one man carrying a pistol alone isn't gonna get it done. but if every protestor had a gun, it would be a whole different dynamic.
it sounds like you don't live a life in fear of police, and you don't need to have any kind of armed resistance to protect you and your community. good for you. seriously. but sadly, in USA we need to protect ourselves from police. that's why there were riots in 2020, in the 90s, in the 60s. and if it was summer right now, minnesota would be on fire. and there would be riots everywhere.
Next time one of these DFs explains how you shouldn't be "brandishing" your weapons at protests, remind them that they didn't always believe this.
As much as these two are crazy from my recollection they are standing on their own property as a protests is coming towards them, Still insane but lets be factual
As much as these two are crazy from my recollection they are standing on their own property as a protests is coming towards them, Still insane but lets be factual
Did they brandish their weapons at a protest or no?
I'll help: yes. And they brought them outside and pointed them at people who were protesting.
So conservatives honored them by making them keynote speakers at the 2020 RNC, but now, they insist you should never do this.
Weird. Please defend it more.
I think people are trying to say it's ok to try to protect yourself by pointing weapons at poor people, but not ok to even carry weapons if you're trying to protect yourself from police.
which is ignorant. people who say this and aren't threatened unjustly by police, don't understand the threat
But the conservative justification for the importance of the 2nd amendment has always been defense against tyranny, not poor people.
It’s hilarious all the people trying to lecture the lefties about 2a
The whole world is incapable of deep thought. Just the lowest common denominator across the board going for the laziest, sloppiest, dumbest rhetorical technique imaginable.
Yes 2a is crazy, yes most of us have argued that, yes that is completely off topic to the point
