USA Goes to War Against Iran

notice how rococo goes out of his way to malign the people who watched the video and remembered the video. he has no animosity towards the guy stealing the house or the structures that create the ability for the guy to steal the house. or the people who support those Ameri-Israeli structures. this is Supremacy at its core.

I like John Oliver and I had never seen the video. People miss things when they aren't plugged in 24/7.

Quit immediately jumping to conclusions about what others are thinking. You've been doing a lot of that lately, and it's usually straight up lying about someone's beliefs.

This would be a great point if I had maligned people who remembered the video or if I had defended the guy in the video. His comments sound absurd, illogical, and immoral. I don't know the context behind the video, but I certainly wouldn't take someone's house because a government told me it was OK or because I thought someone else would take it if I didn't.

Also, I didn't need to watch a viral video to know that sort of thing was going on. There have been Israeli settlers pushing into the West Bank for as long as I can remember, and it has always been morally objectionable imo.

I don't have anything against John Oliver or people who watch his show. The clips I have seen are funny. Some of them are very funny. I just don't watch any of that stuff regularly, whether it is nighttime or daytime political TV. I doubt that I have ever watched more than ten consecutive minutes of Jon Stewart, John Oliver, Colbert, Maher, Maddow, the View, or Fox & Friends.

Yeah along with degrading the people capable of launching them. Along with this sort of stuff:

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Lol do you realize Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE have been showering Trump and his family with money? But obviously it’s all the Jews.

Do you realize that a lot of countries in the ME besides Israel oppose Iran?

lol, no one is maligning you, we're just trying to get you to understand that not everyone is conversant with every bit John Oliver's done over the past odd years. Just basic theory of mind sutff, here.

calling it a video shared in "frothy circles" is absolutely meant as an insult and as an attempt to downplay its meaning.

It's especially weird because that video wasn't some sort of revelation that I needed to see and internalize in order to understand the world. I've been aware of the issue highlighted by the video ever since I started paying attention to the world in the early 1990s. And it has never been just a land or housing issue. It's water and a lot of other things as well.

I guess that I was downplaying the importance of watching and remembering the video, but I certainly wasn't downplaying the issue. The issue has been a persistent obstacle to peaceful coexistence for as long as I have been an adult. And it is absolutely something that the Israeli government could have prevented if it had wanted to do so.

ok, Ill drop it

For all intents everyone is opposed Iran's regime. But they're also opposed to ending up with a worse one or anarchy breaking out in the region.

One underappreciated fact about Israel is that its parliamentary democracy gives religious hardliners more influence than they should have based on their absolute numbers because the PM historically has needed the support of those hardliners in order to form a government. And religious hardliners in Israel tend be very supportive of Israelis occupying the West Bank.

Arab leaders over the years would recognize this dynamic. In many countries, they have made their own Faustian bargains with religious hardliners in exchange for political support.

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There is no well‑documented historical origin of a phrase like “fatsos from Brooklyn” connected to settling the West Bank in any mainstream history or etymology sources — at least nothing in reliable print or recorded speech that traces it as a known saying or slogan. My web search didn’t turn up any established phrase history tying it to Israel, settlement policy, or any specific event. It does show the expression being used informally by internet commenters to insult certain people associated with supporting or participating in settlement activity.
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• On an internet forum discussing the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, someone wrote a comment saying something like “Israel invites fatsos from Brooklyn to move into Palestinian homes and take them over”, as a derogatory critique of settlers or supporters. This is not a formal phrase, it’s just one person’s insulting way of talking about outsiders moving into contested areas.
• The comment treats “fatsos from Brooklyn” not as a recognized slogan but as a mocking caricature implying outsiders (here from the U.S. or especially from certain Jewish communities in Brooklyn) come to settle in the West Bank in a way the commenter disapproves of.
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Smart

John Stewart is (was?) leagues above any of the other people mentioned

Right, and being singularly focused on Israel’s influence when the reality is there are multiple parties pushing for war with Iran is ignorant at best.

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All three of those countries are actively trying to white wash their images by becoming desirable places to be for people with money

There is no overlap between their relationship and Israel's relationship with the US

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Because people are asking him why attack Iran when the polling is terrible and he's saying because it's the right thing to do. Is that what you expect out of a guy like Trump?

Why beat dead horses like men in women's sports if he doesn't care about polling anymore? Why, in this one instance, is he willing to do something that, despite the terrible polling, he thinks it's right?

I disagree, there is significant backroom dealing going on. The client states of the US have been seeking a realignment with the US and Israel for quite some time, they just can’t be vocal about it due to how unpopular it would be in Saudi Arabia or Qatar. But the business interest does align quite well, and there are lots of really rich people that support Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Israel as being tourist and business destinations going forward.

This is the one instant where Trump is doing something he thinks is right? I don't think "men in women's sports" goes against his stated beliefs, or ICE in the streets or immigration or crime?

He's obviously going to pander to his base when he can, more so when he's constrained by the need to please voters for a reelection but he can just frame it as what he thinks is right rather than to win approval.

There's a big difference between being opposed to the regime and pushing for war today. Based on all that's occurred since 10/8, it just seems to me that the West is on page with getting rid of the regime, despite what their politicians say in public. But in terms of how, not so much.

So we have to ask who benefits from it happening now. Pretty much narrows down to Israel and a few Gulf states, because Iran isn't posing a clear and present danger to the West.