USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Me: if Iran's military assets were away from civilians, there wouldn't be much by way of civilian casualties.
I got that. I'm asking you to qualify that statement. Even saying, "I'm a good person so I give people the benefit of the doubt and don't think they would do such evil things" is better than what you've said so far.
You: if Iran's military assets were away from civilians, there would be much by way of civilian casualties.
Something like that, but I'll qualify it:
- 33 civilian areas (probably a lot more by now), including 9 hospitals and 1 grade school decimated
- an administration that called a nurse and a mother domestic terrorists after they were executed in the streets of America by federal agents and topped it off by saying they have absolute immunity from prosecution
- an administration that has indicated it wants to take up military arms against its own citizens, whom they deem to be domestic terrorists, without any due process or evidence
- a military that has blown up civilian boats in international waters because they deemed them to be narco-terrorists without any proof provided to Congress or due process
- currently carpet bombing the chit out of Tehran in order to free the citizens of Tehran. I guess death is a form of freedom
So yeah, why again is it your contention that the military would never take arms against civilians during war - a military that has already broken international laws numerous times by killing citizens?
Give me something, bro.
I can see Pete Hegseth as a future President. He is very impressive in his press conferences. He seems to be a bull like Trump. I just hope he is a better person.
- 33 civilian areas (probably a lot more by now), including 9 hospitals and 1 grade school decimated.
Give me something, bro.
I couldn't find any credible reporting showing that any of the 9 hospitals you mentioned were directly struck by US or Israel. The reports that exist describe damage from nearby strikes or blasts, not deliberate hits on hospitals. Some sources even explicitly say “minor damage from nearby explosions” or “collateral effects,” which is consistent with my position not yours. For example:
Gandhi Hospital was reported damaged during the current campaign, according to the World Health Organization. And WHO specifically mentioned that blasts near Motahari Hospital caused damage and forced evacuations. Again more consistent with my position than yours.
Doesn't mean those civilian deaths weren't avoidable or absolutely necessary for our war efforts. For instance the base next to the school was a logistics center, not an enrichment facility. Did that pose a clear and present danger such that they couldn't warn civilians befoehand? Doubtful.
But that's not on the soldiers in uniform. That's on Trump for approving a surprise attack. Could be a war crime if there were alternative options to accomplish the objective without risking civilian deaths.
wow 1 example!!! They also had to give them insane amount of drugs and gaslighting and even then it was a volunteer force where 0.0001% of the population signed up for
Not sure what you're arguing but wars generally have somewhat of a high favorability rating in the beginning and often dwindle from there for obvious reasons - one big one being morale and combat effectiveness.
In this stupid war, the favorability is already in the shitter and will almost certainly go down from here. That has consequences regardless of whether it is recognized or not.
I couldn't find any credible reporting showing that any of the 9 hospitals you mentioned were directly struck by US or Israel. The reports that exist describe damage from nearby strikes or blasts, not deliberate hits on hospitals. Some sources even explicitly say “minor damage from nearby explosions” or “collateral effects,” which is consistent with my p
The WHO reported today: "As of now, for Iran we have verified 13 attacks on health care, resulting in 3 deaths."
But yeah, let's pretend that these highly sophisticated bombs that are "surgical" to within 5 meters are anything but surgical. Easier to swallow that boot polish that way.
The WHO reported today: "As of now, for Iran we have verified 13 attacks on health care, resulting in 3 deaths."
But yeah, let's pretend that these highly sophisticated bombs that are "surgical" to within 5 meters are anything but surgical. Easier to swallow that boot polish that way.
wtf are you even trying to argue lol? If Iran was a reasonable state that spent money on protecting their own citizens instead of oppressing them and enriching the mullahs there would be significantly less civilian deaths.
Do you live in the real world?
Many such cases
The democrats that voted against it are for sure on the Epstein client list.
Hearing reports that they named it Epic Fury so that when people type Trump Ep into google it pulls up epic fury instead of something else
The WHO reported today: "As of now, for Iran we have verified 13 attacks on health care, resulting in 3 deaths."
But yeah, let's pretend that these highly sophisticated bombs that are "surgical" to within 5 meters are anything but surgical. Easier to swallow that boot polish that way.
Okay. And then let's pretend that the first bombs didn't fall at 2AM Tehran time and the regime didn't immediately shut down their little intra-net (internet was already out) and for kicks mobile and sms communication as well, leaving civilians in a complete information blackout.
So roughly 8 hours before the school was struck the government knew an attack was underway. First government commutation to the people came in the afternoon a couple hours after the the school was struck.
Iranian regime spends 30 years calling death to America, America finally comes, school full of children in session 500m from a military base in an area that used to be designated as a military base. No bomb shelters for citizens, no warnings. But yeah it’s a straw man to point these things out. Take your logical fallacy and stuff it.
Historically, in reality, us realists know that innocent civilians have been used as targets in war. Outside of governments in war, organized criminals attack innocent family members for similar reasons.
I'll leave it to you to use that encephalitic noggin of yours to figure out why this is. In this case, we happen to have organized criminals in charge of the war.
Okay. And then let's pretend that the first bombs didn't fall at 2AM Tehran time and the regime didn't immediately shut down their little intra-net (internet was already out) and for kicks mobile and sms communication as well, leaving civilians in a complete information blackout. So roughly 8 hours before the school was struck the government knew an attack was underway. First
I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic unless you're asserting that US-Israel thought the Iranian government would evacuate all schools and hospitals and thought they could freely bomb hospitals and schools without civilian casualties because they thought theses structures would have been empty.
Either way, that's totally different than what you originally claimed was the reason why these structures were hit.
Iranian regime spends 30 years calling death to America, America finally comes, school full of children in session 500m from a military base in an area that used to be designated as a military base. No bomb shelters for citizens, no warnings. But yeah it’s a straw man to point these things out. Take your logical fallacy and stuff it.
Are you asserting that neither Israel nor the US knew that it had been a school for the past 10 years? Their intel is that far behind? Even so, that still doesn't explain the 13 hospitals bombed.
As to the rest of your post, Trump said back in June that we completely decimated their ability to develop nukes. In the same year, in a US Defense Intelligence Agency report, it stated that Iran could have the ability to develop an ICBM that could reach the United States as early as 2035 "should it decide to pursue the capability."
So is it your contention that the US needed to attack Iran to stop an ICBM 10 years down the road, or are you asserting that we needed to bomb them because chants of death to America for 30 years?
Funny how chants to hang Mike Pence were met with a full and unconditional pardon and they were called patriots.
Are you asserting that neither Israel nor the US knew that it had been a school for the past 10 years? Their intel is that far behind? Even so, that still doesn't explain the 13 hospitals bombed.As to the rest of your post, Trump said back in June that we completely decimated their ability to develop nukes. In the same year, in a US Defense Intelligence Agency report, it state
Trump and everyone he’s installed since being elected is a moron and unqualified for their position. This is par for the course.
What tactical advantage does bombing a school provide? The Iranians are incompetent and the trump administration is incompetent. Put them together and you get a mess.
Why is there a school this close to multiple military facilities? Maybe because the Iranian regime gives 0 ****s about their citizens.
What tactical advantage does bombing a school provide? The Iranians are incompetent and the trump regime is incompetent. Put them together and you get a mess.
Why is there a school this close to multiple military facilities? Maybe because the Iranian regime gives 0 ****s about their citizens.
- are you asking what tactical advantage there is to hit civilian targets when a country is trying to cripple and/or overtake another country?
- are you asserting that bombs with a 5m accuracy rate are landing 500m off target due to what exactly?
- Iran doesn't give a chit about its citizens - that is true. But what does that have to do with the military targeting civilians? I'll bet you blamed that lady and her kids that were killed when a street racer going over 100mph struck them in a crosswalk. She should have known better than to take a stroller into the street where cars drive, amirite?
Lastly, I'm not defending Iran in the slightest so you should stop barking up that tree. I'm holding the US to account. Bombing children and hospitals is fukking evil. It's so evil that you and John are compelled to make up bullshit excuses to delude yourselves into pretending it's not happening.
On the self-serving side, here we are starting another forever war in the Middle East that is going to have massive repercussions for Americans for decades to come, and that is if everything goes well.
Not sure what you're arguing but wars generally have somewhat of a high favorability rating in the beginning and often dwindle from there for obvious reasons - one big one being morale and combat effectiveness. In this stupid war, the favorability is already in the shitter and will almost certainly go down from here. That has consequences regardless of whether it is recognize
the morals fine the soldiers are sitting in air conditioned bunkers or adrenaline junkies in jets. war approval rating does not equal military moral. The people in the army generally want to be there
in iran? where are you getting these numbers. i dont think isreal bombed 13 hospitals in Palestine and they use them as military bases
If I understand LandOLakes correctly, if a hospital is damaged at all by American bombs, then by (his) definition the hospital was being 'targeted' by the U.S. bombers.
how would we even know if hospitals were hit theres a media blackout
