[ClubGG] App Poker Discussion

How is what i said related to me being rakeback grinder? Its actually completely opposite, if you have bots in the pool then your winrate will naturally drop, wherever bots enter they kill winrate from regs drastically (those Russian bot farms are bragging openly about lowering winrate from 8bb to 2bb on avg wherever they enter) so if you are trying to play for winrate its impossible if you have bots present at the tables, so combined both factors (rake + bots) makes this game unbeatable no matter how much appealing and soft it looks from outside.

What are the screen names that you think are bots? I've seen a couple suspicious ones come back for this promotion and play 24/7.

I 100% agree with you. The tables might look very juicy from the outside, but they're unbeatable. I've already put in a few hundred thousand hands and you simply cannot beat them. I don't think it's only the high rake, but if you throw bots into the mix, you just can't win."

Can you play on clubgg in hawaii? In a private club? Please only if your 100% sure answer. (Planning a move they're)

i think hawaii is one of the states they don't allow players from. not sure if you could get around it using a vpn, or if they block vpns also

i realize that's not a 100% sure answer but hopefully it still helps

Are there any unions which have an ok/good reputation in relation to a lack of collusion on the tables?

i think the best way to minimize that is to play in smaller private clubs where that kind of thing is easier to spot. bonus points if the owner/agents have good rep or are well-known.

but of course smaller private clubs don't have nearly as much traffic, and often not as much rakeback, as the bigger unions do.

i tend to assume that there is some low level of collusion/cheating/bots/rta/whatever basically everywhere, and just kinda factor that into my calculations when deciding if i wanna play somewhere or not. unfortunately i think it's quite hard to avoid that stuff in today's app climate.

It seems Massiv union has even got more scammy upping plo vpip 5% to 35% as if they don't rake enough.

Continental, Flamingo, Only Friends, Obsidian, Universal, Italia Poker Room, DWOP, Matrix. All good options, but not very large lobbies. Smaller unions.

They also raised the size of the bomb pots 3-4 bb for plo and 4-5 bb for holdem.

They really hate their player base.

Now to TMT I'm likely a 1-1.5bb per 100 winner with both my pcs, with hard table selection and these last 2 weeks I've ran super pure. One of the hands I won was 1100+ and my +ev was 75 plo5 AI pf 3 ways. I went on a major upswing, winning flips, 60/40s and another multiway allin preflop with Aces in plo5.

Received:

"After a comprehensive, data-driven analysis of the player pool across all clubs, we identified a group of players performing well above the ecosystem’s balance. As part of this union-wide initiative, we’ve decided to restrict the following players from playing in TMT.

Our goal is to keep the games fun and sustainable for recreational players. This isn’t disciplinary — it’s part of a broader, data-backed adjustment to protect the health of the pool.

Note: If the player attempts to return under a new or different account and is detected, it will result in a ban and confiscation of funds.

We appreciate your understanding & cooperation."

Let me translate this. No one can win, but the house, give us your money and thank you. I was below ev roughly 5k they gave zero fs then it flipped to up 4k and ban hammer. I've played on here for months, so this isn't some quick new player or scheme, or anything like that. Just a great 2 week run. Before that was losing/breaking even before this month.

ohhh that makes sense. was always confused when people disconnected mid-hand

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When the heck did CT get banned on this site? I'm guessing same time as ClubWPT Gold. I thought this app being a monthly membership would of avoid the sweepstakes ban, but I guess not. All I had seen in the poker news sites was when the Michigan was added as the 10th state ban in July, now they are up to 14th with looks like CT, NY, NJ and LA being added recently.

If you're playing with EV cashout, like the plo5 tables on massive union...

I think I understand the rules, as they are written. But rather often I see a player cash out and still win the whole pot. For example, I just saw a heads up pot where a player cashed out on the turn with 94%. The board ran out and the player who cashed out won and got the entire pot, the loser went to 0.

As I understand the rules, the cashout player "forfeits his claim to the pot" meaning the losing player should keep 6%. Am I mistaken?

Cashout is insurance, losing player if they don't cashout their equity gets nothing. The winner rejects claim to full pot and receives agreed insurance price, usually the equity minus a fee of 1 or 2%.

Imo it is a silly feature that costs you ev over time but hey we don't have to use it.

But what I'm saying is, players are cashing out and still winning the entire pot when the runout gives them the win. It doesn't seem to always happen though.

Ah ok, I have never played on an app but if it happens only sometimes then it could be some sort of feature or a glitch. If they have any support network would be worth reaching out to them.

Yes, you are mistaken. If player A cashes out, he gets whatever his cashout percentage is minus the vig. Player B either wins or loses the pot as normal (assuming he doesn't cash out as well). This means that the site either wins or loses on each cashout.

E.g.--$100 pot. Player A has 60% equity and cashes out. Player A wins. Player A gets $59 (cashout equity - 1% vig); Player B gets $0; house makes $41.

$100 pot. Player A has 60% equity and cashes out. Player B wins. Player A gets $59 (cashout equity - 1% vig); Player B gets $100; house loses $59.

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Suspecting more house bots lately, they have been making them look fishy but they are way more agro than the typical fish and have better wwsf than most regulars, wouldn't be shocked if even sharing cards between, no proof on that, seems out of line though. Small chance I'm wrong, but doubtful.

I've got a good club to play poker on clubgg, lots of fish, there's no bots as I know most of the players and just trying to expand. I've got super soft games running quite often usually .25/.5 up to 1/2 and 2/5, nlh and plo as well as occasional mtt, there is good rakeback. Deposits done by bank transfer and 24/7 withdrawal. DM me know if you're interested.

Thanks! If only their rules were as concise