USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
A bunch more IRGC Martyred today. Congratulations to them and their families. Mossad pulled off another exploding pager like operation. This time they used canned food.
Also, the head of what’s left of the Iranian navy was eliminated. Apparently 92% of their big boats are at the bottom of the sea.
Also, the IRGC has lost so many soldiers due to death and desertion that they are now bringing in child soldiers.
How is it that any of you think we are losing the war?
Haha. Pretty crazy how out of touch this is. Right wing media is based exactly on what you’re talking about with trans panic, migrants elections are rigged etc. Rush Limbaugh or Tucker Carlson have based careers on it. There really is no comparable liberal alternative. You listen to pbs or npr, which actually have audiences which will lean liberal because of higher education
So where do liberals get their sky is falling news from? Something out there is fueling their hate. Why would they think we are losing the war? Or are they speaking from the Iranian side of things?
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Oh, I don't know. A year ago John Oliver went on a peculiar 'liberal' rant claiming that men have no innate advantage over women in sport, a line he took purely to be contrarian against the administration (and most of the public), with the apparent goal of being on the Right Side of History, except the International Olympic Committee has today belatedly but decisively rejected
So as a low iq rural your argument is “I’m still mad about this random unimportant comedy skit from a year ago” and that’s why liberals are the ones that are always mad?
Haha. Pretty crazy how out of touch this is. Right wing media is based exactly on what you’re talking about with trans panic, migrants elections are rigged etc. Rush Limbaugh or Tucker Carlson have based careers on it. There really is no comparable liberal alternative. You listen to pbs or npr, which actually have audiences which will lean liberal because of higher educ
Liberal media has been pretty bad regarding their reporting on Israel’s influence on the US and their coverage of the Gaza war. Conservative new outlets are much more overtly compromised but liberal establishments aren’t far behind. Most of you really think Israel has the power to lead Trump around, which is laughable and also largely attributed to a narrative pushed by the media, including the liberal part.
So where do liberals get their sky is falling news from? Something out there is fueling their hate. Why would they think we are losing the war? Or are they speaking from the Iranian side of things?
Just seems like your poor understanding of liberals. Given the choice liberals would elect Obama as president again. And he’s moderate, hopeful and not at all angry. Trump’s anger and persecution complex is a huge part o how he gets votes and I sympathize to a certain extent with it. Rurals should be mad and honestly their lives do kinda suck. But it’s not for the reasons they think or are told.
Just seems like your poor understanding of liberals. Given the choice liberals would elect Obama as president again. And he’s moderate, hopeful and not at all angry. Trump’s anger and persecution complex is a huge part o how he gets votes and I sympathize to a certain extent with it. Rurals should be mad and honestly their lives do kinda suck. But it’s not f
American conservatives are dumb but so are American liberal. It’s not mutually exclusive.
Liberals are much more educated but it’s not really translating to more intelligence. Sure they think trans people should have rights and abortion is cool but aside from the obvious things most of them are dumb as rock.
*Trump does something bad*
Lefites: **** liberals!
Right: Haha cry more liberals!
“Owning the libs” politics is going to destroy the planet frfr
Like if you actually think Netanyahu has the power to make Trump do his bidding you probably shouldn’t be posting on this topic. I’m assuming this disqualifies 85%+ of the posters here.
China is at the cutting edge of factory robotics, so they are fine in terms of workforce.
China dominates in scale, cost, and rapid deployment of industrial robotics. Europe and Japan still lead in high-precision hardware and engineering, and the U.S. leads in AI and next-gen robotics concepts. So we're all in different places in the stack.
And sure automation helps, but it doesn’t erase a demographic shock of this size. As I said, China’s workforce is shrinking by millions per year, while its elderly population is rapidly expanding. Robotics can boost productivity, but it can’t fully replace the economic drag from a rising dependency ratio and declining domestic consumption.
But even with leadership in industrial robotics, China faces structural limits in translating that into long-term global dominance. Its GDP per capita is around $13k which id still far below that of advanced Western economies, meaning the average worker remains far less productive than in the U.S., Europe, or Japan. And that gap isn’t likely to close anytime soon, since GDP per capita in the West will continue growing as well.
So its challenge more resembles Cold War 1.0, sans the collapse. And that latter outcome isn’t a given: no country in history has reached this level of GDP per capita without undergoing some form of democratic or major political reform.
American conservatives are dumb but so are American liberal. It’s not mutually exclusive.
Liberals are much more educated but it’s not really translating to more intelligence. Sure they think trans people should have rights and abortion is cool but aside from the obvious things most of them are dumb as rock.
Who’s saying most liberals are smart? Liberals just scale property ie 100 million liberals as a team can pretty much do anything that can be done. Not because the median liberal is so smart but because they just won’t prevent the handful of the 100 million that can from doing something. 100 million conservatives will actively work to screw up the handful in the group that can make progress.
Who’s saying most liberals are smart? Liberals just scale property ie 100 million liberals as a team can pretty much do anything that can be done. Not because the median liberal is so smart but because they just won’t prevent the handful of the 100 million that can from doing something. 100 million conservatives will actively work to screw up the handful in the gr
The assertion that 100million liberal can do anything is absurd. Liberals aren’t only held back on the account of conservatives. Both groups are grossly misaligned, the liberals just have a more inclusive, logical and palatable outlook on social structures. Both sides are inevitably heading towards self destruction.
It’s got nothing to do with being liberal. 100 million randoms should win a Super Bowl. Conservatives screw it up because Trump has to be the QB instead of Mahomes or whoever because anything else is woke.
If Iran starts genociding the West, we can now call in Uganda to save the us.
Uganda’s military chief offers to fight for Israel
“If Israel needs help, it only need ask. Their Ugandan brothers are ready to assist,” said Gen Kainerugaba, who is the son of Yoweri Museveni, Uganda’s president.
Gen Muhoozi Kainerugaba posted a series of messages on social media saying his country could enter the conflict if hostilities escalated.
Like if you actually think Netanyahu has the power to make Trump do his bidding you probably shouldn’t be posting on this topic. I’m assuming this disqualifies 85%+ of the posters here.
I'm guessing that's why Lindsay visited Israel to coach Netanyahu on how to coax Trump into getting him to do his bidding - or maybe it was the golden pager he gave him.
There's a seeming deliberate sleight of hand being used by netanyaho and suporters to confuse "playing trump,with 'making trump do it'.
trump has just extended the deadline by 10 days
fair chance that means the ground invasion is planned for within the next 9 days
A ground invasion of Iran would likely require at least 500 000 troops before anyone thinks it is a good idea, and likely more in the region of 750 000 - 1 000 000 troops before they should start to think that.
To put it into perspective, Iran is four times the size of Iraq, twice the population and has far more challenging geography for an invading ground force. While not Afghanistan level of difficulties, the mountains of Iran basically form a natural barrier that has historically always been very difficult for an invader to deal with; to not overcomplicate things, it basically boils to that the invader does not get to choose where to go. It is also an integral part of how Iran organizes its defenses. There are also little little in the way of great plains in Iran like there are in Iraq, so nor can there be a Schwarzkopf-style dash across the country.
To build up the logistics, numbers and support necessary in terms of aircraft and naval assets is something that we would count in months, not days. And this is before we start talking about things like getting in place regional coalitions, bases and funding. Now, the Trump administration would in this hypothetical scenario likely not give a **** about resolutions and international cooperation, but that would in turn lead to other countries have to prioritize security as what we have left of international stability erodes, so no Desert Storm-like coalitions this time around.
And oh boy are you going to need funding. The bill would be extraordinary.
Even if you went full 1940s and did total war, Invading Iran is a daunting task even for an invader with supremacy of the seas and air. And of course, invading Iran would in itself be no guarantee for improvement in stability of the region or the politics of future governments.
What you could do with a limited operation is akin to a siege of the old days: Seize the industrial and agricultural region of the southwest (which is lowlands), destroy energy infrastructure and keep the aerial bombardments going and basically try and starve the regime out. However, even such a limited operation would be of enormous scope and require a buildup we would be well aware of. And of course, it would come with even fewer prospects of actually improving things. It would also come with horrendous consequences for civilians as the regime would prioritize its own needs and those of loyal forces first and foremost.
A ground invasion of Iran would likely require at least 500 000 troops before anyone thinks it is a good idea, and likely more in the region of 750 000 - 1 000 000 troops before they should start to think that. To put it into perspective, Iran is four times the size of Iraq, twice the population and has far more challenging geography for an invading ground force. While not Afgh
If history has shown us anything, it's that it's a guarantee for the opposite. Good luck Iran, your country is about to get infinitely worse.
If history has shown us anything, it's that it's a guarantee for the opposite. Good luck Iran, your country is about to get infinitely worse.
I'd say in most cases it goes like that, but perhaps not all.
Regardless, I don't really see a sign that the US is planning a ground invasion. We're talking massive movements of material and troops in the day and age of the mobile camera and social media. For now, the US administrations seems to pin its hopes that even though the initial operation did not topple the regime, continued air campaign will.
The problem for the US in that regard is that it very difficult to internally topple a regime that is in full mobilization. I can pretty much guarantee that as the Americans and Israeli bombs keep dropping, Iranian secret police, regime-friendly militias and the IRGC is using the war as an excuse to eradicate anyone they see as a potential political threats.
And even if we ignore that the opposition is not a unified force (which we should not, but we do it for the hypothetical's sake), they are not organized and not armed outside some fairly low manpower Kurdish militias (which are not necessarily friends with Iranian opposition in general), so there is not much they can do in response.
