USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
****ing yikes, bro.
It is not one of the original goals. They certainly would love to see it. They are creating the environment for this to be a possibility. Unfortunately the Iranian people failed the last time they had a chance. It’s not gonna happen. This regime is built to last even though they are getting crushed militarily. They will no longer be a threat to the outside world. Unfortunately
It’s not like the hardcore maga base are huge supporters of the war. Many of them though Trump was some kind of peacemaker.
It’s not like the hardcore maga base are huge supporters of the war. Many of them though Trump was some kind of peacemaker.
The hardcore maga base are morons without a single legitimate core belief that can easily change their ‘ideals’ cuz daddy can do no wrong
‘Prices are too high!’
*prices go higher as a direct result of trump’s tariffs and war*
‘This is just the price of patriotism. Let him cook. MAGA!’
‘No more forever wars’
*literally starts a forever war*
‘Obviously we had no choice. Daddy will keep us safe. MAGA!’
It is not one of the original goals. They certainly would love to see it. They are creating the environment for this to be a possibility. Unfortunately the Iranian people failed the last time they had a chance. It’s not gonna happen. This regime is built to last even though they are getting crushed militarily. They will no longer be a threat to the outside world. Unfortunately
If the Iranian people just rose up and did their job.....if the merchant vessel crews just had some guts.... if the Euros would just send ships to clear the straights.... Apparently Trump is a winner and everyone else just let him down.
If the Iranian people just rose up and did their job.....if the merchant vessel crews just had some guts.... if the Euros would just send ships to clear the straights.... Apparently Trump is a winner and everyone else just let him down.
The job of the US would be a lot easier if they had some help.
The job of the US, serving US citizens, would be a lot easier if the government actually performed it.
There is no plan, because there are no goals. There is a series of escalations that some people misconstrue as a plan, because if there wasn't one, it would all very stupid. It is basically the strategic equivalent of trying to keep your footing when you slip. This is Sharpiegate all over again, but this time around they made an actual crisis. Like with Sharpiegate, competent p
You can't even think of one if you tried because one doesn't exist. You weaken their country you risk chaos and deaths to their own people and something worse replaces it. You try regime change and you're stuck occupying a giant hostile country at a ridiculous price with a laughable degree of upside.
Ther only concrete goals we have now are the ones we had before the war started.
The only goal trump has now is to come up with the lies that have him declaring complete and total victory.
We could have stuck with just pummeling their nuclear facilities instead trying to cripple the regime. If we have to go back and do it again, then we go back and do it again, etc. But I think people were convinced the regime would topple.
The only goal trump has now is to come up with the lies that have him declaring complete and total victory.
The US has wiped out Irans Navy. Their nuclear capability has been set back decades and soon will be completely dismantled. Their ability to produce Ballistic missiles is in the process of being destroyed. Irans proxies are being taken out. Weapons manufactures are all taken out. The Iranians are on their fourth and fifth string leadership. They are now depending on 12 year olds to join the battle.
I’d say we have done pretty pretty good.
We could have stuck with just pummeling their nuclear facilities instead trying to cripple the regime. If we have to go back and do it again, then we go back and do it again, etc. But I think people were convinced the regime would topple.
The regime could still crumble. If Trump takes Kharg and the strait the regime loses all its money.
I never thought there would be regime change and don’t think Trump did either. The Islamists are suicidal so they’ll fight to the death.
There will be a cease fire deal just like there always is.
regime change is literally a stated goal... the goals are
1 neutrilizing irans military
2 eliminating irans nuclear program
3. regime change
if your boy fails at it it will just be another failure in a long list
You can't even think of one if you tried because one doesn't exist. You weaken their country you risk chaos and deaths to their own people and something worse replaces it. You try regime change and you're stuck occupying a giant hostile country at a ridiculous price with a laughable degree of upside. Ther only concrete goals we have now are the ones we had before the war sta
I agree with the first part but the ones in charge now are about the worst.
[QUOTE=ISW]Senior Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) officials continue to dismiss Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian’s concerns about Iran’s economic conditions amid Iran’s war with the United States and Israel.
Anti-regime media reported on March 28 that there is a deepening rift between Pezeshkian and IRGC Commander Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi over the regime’s actions during the war and the war’s mounting economic and social costs, citing unspecified informed sources.[33] Pezeshkian reportedly warned that the IRGC’s attacks on regional countries are exacerbating economic damage, cautioning that Iran’s economy could collapse within three to four weeks if Iran does not reach a ceasefire with the United States and Israel. This report is consistent with a March 16 report that Pezeshkian voiced concerns over the war’s impact on the Iranian economy, but that an IRGC official dismissed Pezeshkian’s concerns.[
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That’s where you are wrong. I didn’t vote for Trump. There are tons of things I don’t like about him. He was terrible during the pandemic. His election rigged argument was nonsense. Jan 6th was disgusting. He should have let the Israelis completely dismantled Hamas. He says too many stupid things. He has hired terrible people.
The difference between me and you is that my hatred doesn’t obscure my objectivity. If the man does something good I am gonna support it.
For you, everything the “Orange Daddy” does is bad. I suspect most of you wake up in a bad mood given your horrible attitudes. Also, this victimhood thing you guys got going on is just holding you back.
That’s where you are wrong. I didn’t vote for Trump. There are tons of things I don’t like about him. He was terrible during the pandemic. His election rigged argument was nonsense. Jan 6th was disgusting. He should have let the Israelis completely dismantled Hamas. He says too many stupid things. He has hired terrible people. The difference between me and you is that my hatred
Oh word, rapist?
The US has wiped out Irans Navy. Their nuclear capability has been set back decades and soon will be completely dismantled. Their ability to produce Ballistic missiles is in the process of being destroyed. Irans proxies are being taken out. Weapons manufactures are all taken out. The Iranians are on their fourth and fifth string leadership. They are now depending on 12 year old
Im not arguing that rhe US can't do the things you claimed they did or will do. It will almost certainly end up being another slaughter house with a 100/1 or w/e death ratio and the one out every 100 will get broadcasted to illustrate whatever preferred vendetta that Iran is winning (which they would be) to show how bad the war is (which it was).
But we arent playing call of duty. And eventually youre going to have to produce something that illustrates that all of this was worth it - and so far we've taken a few steps back with no tangible reduction in any threat to the US - which is what we are suppose to be there to protect. All at a heavy cost.
If yo6 want to claim the most reasonable of all threats, the delay or removal of nuclear weapons, then one could definitely argue that the US went about that the wrong way as well.
The difference between me and you is that my hatred doesn’t obscure my objectivity. If the man does something good I am gonna support it.
I honestly cannot think of a single good thing he has done. Dropping bombs on other countries without having a clue what the objective might be sure isn't one.
“I support everything Trump does… but I didn’t vote for him, I swear. ”
A sentiment that seems to be popping up with greater frequency these days. Perhaps eventually, no one will claim to have voted for him at all.
Actually it’s really easy if you just constantly move the goalposts.
I honestly cannot think of a single good thing he has done. Dropping bombs on other countries without having a clue what the objective might be sure isn't one.
Kinda crazy how the 1st presidency was so much more burlesque and comical in its wannabee evil compared to now, where it's batshit crazy and close to final form.
Well, looks like taking control of Kharg Island is off the table.
[QUOTE=CNBC]Trump says U.S. will destroy Iran’s oil wells, Kharg Island without deal to 'immediately' reopen Hormuz Strait
U.S. President Donald Trump said Monday that the U.S. will "completely" obliterate Iran's electric generating plants, oil wells and Kharg Island if the strategically vital Strait of Hormuz is not "immediately" reopened and a peace deal is not reached "shortly."
"The United States of America is in serious discussions with A NEW, AND MORE REASONABLE, REGIME to end our Military Operations in Iran," Trump said in a post on Truth Social.
"Great progress has been made but, if for any reason a deal is not shortly reached, which it probably will be, and if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately 'Open for Business,' we will conclude our lovely 'stay' in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet 'touched.'"
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This is how you do it. Be brutal. Starve the regime. The people will rise up.
None of this will happen obviously. It sounds like there is obviously an agreement in place. What’s left of the Iranian govt can say they saved their country from complete destruction.
It looks like my Israel trip is back on.
