USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Contradictions are evaluated as automatically false in classical logic. When you allow dialetheia those contradictions can be evaluated as “true contradictions”
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/diale...
Perhaps you shouldn’t defend the view that a contradictory religion should actually be the case if you don’t know about this.
beliefs in contradictory propositions are not.
I assume mongidig is lying about being from Colorado City, but it would be an amazing reveal if true.
Colorado City is a town in Mohave County, Arizona, United States, and is located in a region known as the Arizona Strip. The population was 2,478 at the 2020 census.[4] The Town of Colorado City, Arizona, incorporated in September 1985, was established by residents seeking local self-government and essential services. It is notable as a colony of Mormon polygamists, together with neighboring Hildale, Utah.
After the death of Joseph W. Musser, the community split into two groups: the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints stayed in Short Creek, while the Apostolic United Brethren relocated to Bluffdale, Utah. The FLDS changed the name of the community to Colorado City (on the Arizona side of the border) and Hildale (on the Utah side) to eliminate any ties to the Short Creek raids.[6]
In January 2004, local FLDS fundamentalist leader Warren Jeffs expelled a group of 20 men, including the mayor, and gave their wives and children to other men.[9] Jeffs, now a convicted sexual predator, stated he was acting on the orders of God, while the men expelled claimed they were penalized for disagreeing with Jeffs.
The Colorado City/Hildale, Utah area has the world's highest incidence of fumarase deficiency, an extremely rare genetic condition which causes severe intellectual disability. Geneticists attribute this to the prevalence of cousin marriage between descendants of two of the town's founders, Joseph Smith Jessop and John Y. Barlow; at least half the area's roughly 8,000 inhabitants are descended from one or both.[27]
Anyway, back in what laughably is known as the real world
Trump says 'no more Mr Nice Guy' as US delegation set to return to Islamabad - recap
US President Donald Trump says a delegation is being sent to Pakistan for talks with Iran. The team includes JD Vance, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner.
Iran has not yet confirmed whether it will take part in a new round of talks, although Pakistan is already preparing to host the event.
Trump has also renewed his threats to destroy Iranian infrastructure if talks are not successful, saying there will be "no more Mr Nice Guy".
The Strait of Hormuz remains at a standstill after some ships came under fire from Iran yesterday.
You didn’t even know what a true contradiction is apparently even though it’s standard in the literature. So perhaps go do some reading/research before you form a belief on topics that you don’t know much about.
Oh don't be so silly.
I have raised the question several times in this forum as whether you can simultaneously believe P, Q and that P and Q contradict. I suspect we can but it's transitory. People usually can't even grasp that you can believe p and believe q where p,q contradict without their being a contradiction
Oh don't be so silly.
I have raised the question several times in this forum as whether you can simultaneously believe P, Q and that P and Q contradict. I suspect we can but it's transitory. People usually can't even grasp that you can believe p and believe q where p,q contradict without their being a contradiction
You can believe things that are contradictory if you don’t know all the entailments of your beliefs. But if upon reflection, you realize that P and Q contradict, and you still hold to that belief, I’m not sure what exactly you would be saying. It would be like telling me you believe “blah blah blah”. No idea what “blah blah blah” is myself. Maybe there is such a thing as “blah blah blah” but I can’t picture it.
I’m just saying that if you want to actually learn about dialetheia it wouldn’t hurt to go over some of the work of Graham Priest, who is a preeminent philosopher and the one who has done the most work on the subject, and that you should familiarize yourself with the standard terms in the literature. These are instrumental shoulds, so only on the hypothetical norm that you would like to learn more on the subject in the most efficient way possible.
Sounds like you need to look more at the logic of belief. You're saying much the same I said about a true contradiction - it wasn't as big a deal as you suggested.
Can we get a containment thread for all this philosophy bs?
I don’t see how that gets me to understanding what a squared circle is. I think many on this forum have trouble with equivocating.
Nor can flatlanders understand what a cylinder is. But someone from the 3-d world might be able to get them to believe cylinders exist through metaphors. That's what religions are: a mystic describing a higher reality through metaphor and people believe him even though they haven't directly experienced it for themselves. We call them 'believers' as opposed to knowers or mystics.
So what geezerchess is actually claiming is that there can be only one true metaphor, which is false at face value since metaphors aren't subject to truth values.
Nor can flatlanders understand what a cylinder is. But someone from the 3-d world might be able to get them to believe cylinders exist through metaphors. That's what religions are: a mystic describing a higher reality through metaphor and people believe him even though they haven't directly experienced it for themselves. We call them 'believers' as opposed to knowers or mystics
You’re begging the question that it’s possible to understand what a squared circle is. Maybe squared circles just can’t be instantiated because they are nonsense. I never begged the question against squared circles by the way, because I don’t understand them, so I’m not saying they don’t exist. I don’t know what there is to be existing.
You’re begging the question that it’s possible to understand what a squared circle is. Maybe squared circles just can’t be instantiated because they are nonsense. I never begged the question against squared circles by the way, because I don’t understand them, so I’m not saying they don’t exist. I don’t know what there is to be existing.
Right, because it's inconceivable. Same thing Sshrodinger did with the live/dead cat reductio to show the absurdity of attempting to metaphysically ground quantum theory.
But that's very different than saying there can be only one true way of grasping or trying to explain ultimate reality when confronted with a variety of religions that contain contradictory claims about what ultimate reality is 'like'.
I assume mongidig is lying about being from Colorado City, but it would be an amazing reveal if true.
We were just vacationing there.
4(πr)²
not that difficult
if you want the contradiction, then
"a squared circle" can both 4(πr)² and π²r⁴, where 4(πr)² != π²r⁴
agree we should move on to Iran
anyone tracking the troop movements since Trump "won" again last week?
Hardly anyone is talking about Iran. Mostly they're talking about the people talking about Iran. Apparently their was some sort of vote allowing the lunatics to set the rules for the asylum and its pretty much a free-for-all now. We've seen how that movie ends.
Nor can flatlanders understand what a cylinder is. But someone from the 3-d world might be able to get them to believe cylinders exist through metaphors. That's what religions are: a mystic describing a higher reality through metaphor and people believe him even though they haven't directly experienced it for themselves. We call them 'believers' as opposed to knowers or mystics
You don’t need metaphors. Flatlanders could understand cylinders perfectly fine through math….geometry is tge same topology is now nontrivial. Just like we can understand hyperspheres and all sorts of higher dimensional objects and could actually make measurements and determine if our universe is a 3 dimensional surface of a 4- sphere or cylinder. Understanding an integer greater than 3 and less than 4 looks to be far more problematic, no matter how many dimensions you live in.
You don’t need metaphors. Flatlanders could understand cylinders perfectly fine through math….geometry is tge same topology is now nontrivial. Just like we can understand hyperspheres and all sorts of higher dimensional objects and could actually make measurements and determine if our universe is a 3 dimensional surface of a 4- sphere or cylinder. Understanding an integer gre
Mathematical understanding doesn’t equal intuitive comprehension. We can describe higher dimensions through geometry and topology, but that doesn’t mean we can actually picture or experience them directly. A tesseract is a good example: we can work out all its properties, but what we “see” is just a projection, not the thing itself, like with Plato's Cave.
That’s why metaphors matter: they bridge the gap between abstract knowledge and lived intuition. My pint was the “flatlander” analogy is doing something similar to what mystics do when they try to describe a higher reality, ie, translating something fundamentally outside ordinary experience into terms we can grasp.
That’s also why the “only one true religion” claim is shaky at best. Since the roots of major religions lie in mystical experiences, then what we actually have are different metaphor systems built around attempts to express something ineffable. In other words, they’re not literal descriptions of ultimate reality that can be true or false.
You don’t need metaphors. Flatlanders could understand cylinders perfectly fine through math….geometry is tge same topology is now nontrivial. Just like we can understand hyperspheres and all sorts of higher dimensional objects and could actually make measurements and determine if our universe is a 3 dimensional surface of a 4- sphere or cylinder. Understanding an integer gre
Or a married bachelor for that matter!
