[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

Have you reminded billy that you can literally SEE the satellites from the ground?

That's just bonkers and stupid. You could transmit voice radio across the ocean by the 1940s, at the right time of day and in the right conditions (those conditions relating to the curved atmosphere, because long-distance transmission required reflection), but it was hit-and-miss and certainly didn't permit global geolocation.

Meanwhile radar ranging, in the form of the revolutionary British Oboe system, relied on radar line-of-sight. Because radio beams to some extent curve with altitude, the radar horizon goes a little beyond the visual horizon, but the use of Oboe for blind target-marking in 1943 was still restricted to 280 miles from the coastal stations in England, even for a Mosquito at 30,000 feet. As everyone but you knows, that is because of the curve of the Earth.

Global geolocation, as used by countless people every day, only became possible with a chain of geostationary satellites. If ground-based radio was all that was required, it would have happened a long time before it did.

Ah that's the kind of frantic military googling history we need! All consumer technology begins its life in the military, well said.

Line-of-sight military communication is also a flat earth proof btw. You can check the manuals for details of various missile systems, distances via direct line-of-sight to targets impossible on a ball earth. Heck you probably have the manuals on the bookshelf!

Radio communication uses radiowaves, shocking fact for you. These waves have been travelling from Britain to the Americas since 1901. Go figure.

Flattard of the month, 57 on red for the win.

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Do the military know the Earth is flat, Billy? Is that why they made the manuals that way?

I imagine the military is more than 1 person. But I'd like to hear your theory on the military hive-mind person who may or may not know earth is flat.

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I mean, did the people who wrote these manuals slip up and accidentally reveal that the Earth is flat by the information in the manual, or did they just not realise the information they had actually proves the flatness of the Earth, and they themselves believed the Earth to be round?

No, I just know more than you do -- it's not a high bar -- and you're being deliberately stupid (at least I hope it's deliberately, otherwise poor you indeed) to protect your feeble fantasy world.

As for 'Go figure,' I already mentioned radio transmission across the ocean (relying on reflection off the ionosphere in the right conditions). You have this naive habit of picking up on things I've said and then pretending you thought of them for yourself, when you obviously didn't. And the problem of line-of-sight radar-ranging remains, and you've avoided addressing it because you can't.

I imagine the borgified one-mind military do not care, provided the weapons sell. They are effective to ranges impossible on a globe. They work. They destroy stuff.

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It is YOU who is hand waving MY points and then me having to repeat myself.

1. You admit transatlantic radio transmission predates "orbiting satellites".

2. You claim long range radio transmission is only possible with satellites.

This is all a big distraction from my stationary earth proof and gorgo's debunking of earth curve visibility.

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Can you provide an example of these impossible effective ranges and explain why they are impossible?

Yes. But it will take a while as I have not looked at this for a long time when i originally compiled it. Cant even find the stuff in my oneDrive. (Microsoft in on the conspiracy and deleted it, probably.)

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Billy is starting to fall about from the pressure….some obvious cracks in the veneer these last few days.

The thing I find incredible about this whole satellite hoax is how the satellites are always visible right where they are supposed to be. How do they make me see them?

Something about lizard people and space lasers iirc.

To be fair, if you asked me what a lizard person might look like, it would pretty much be this:

The links are broken now (but y'all tech savvy hipsters can fix that. Heck 57 on red probably works for them).

The Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile, block 1 (not the block 2 which has different functionality. The block 1 requires that the target illumination be on the same ship as the launcher).

This missile has surface to surface functionality. Also has surface to air, but that is not relevant here. (This is one objection I have faced, "yeah but it's surface to air!" We are interested in surface to surface.

It is guided by radar. The target ship is "painted" with a radio signal from a "stand-off platform", which is also on a ship (surface to surface). The platform must maintain line of sight to the target.

The range of the missile is over 35 miles.

Links

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displa...

http://m.eet.com/media/1111959/819_radar...

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Both links are broken, Billy. Probably part of the ever-growing conspiracy.

Wait, what? Why are we shooting targets on our own ship? Is it a munity? If so, why can't we use the trusty Desert Eagle point five o?

The master radar would be on the same ship. The missile's range is dictated by the burn time of the rocket motor. There's no point giving it more range as the ship radar won't detect low-flying targets further out anyway -- the detection range depending on antenna height, target height and the curve of the Earth.

Some years ago, on a Royal Navy ship passing between Sicily and Malta, an excited radar operator called out a surface contact at the astonishing range of around 100 nautical miles.

It turned out to be the peak of Mount Etna, over 11,000 feet above sea level.

I wonder if billy believes that all the satellites we can see with our naked eyes and telescopes or binoculars right where the math for a globe earth predicts they should be are just holograms. If so, I would love to see the hologram projectors.

It would be pretty impressive for a hologram to transit the sun and moon, which the ISS and other satellites have been clearly observed doing, without being washed out by the light from those objects. I would also love to see that tech.

Of course, the ISS is traveling far too fast to be a balloon or some other nonsense like that, so it would have to be a hologram, but that doesn't work with transiting bright objects.

What oh what is a flat-earther to do?

Probably just ignore it as hard as they can like they did when I brought up the vanishing point argument.

Or just lie and claim obviously stupid nonsense like you have to have a flat earth to measure the height of a mountain.

Who knows? Stay tuned.

Billy is a moron, but you still haven't explained how you can measure the curvature of the earth by assuming it to be flat to begin with to measure a height of a mountain.

Apols. Illumination device on same platform as launcher. Because you see they claim they can be on different vessels. They cannot, for the sea sparrow 1.

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Thanks for the useless frantic googlage.

I am talking about ship to ship, surface to surface. Not surface to air. Target is "behind" hundreds of feet of Earth curve (accounting for platform and target heights) at 35 mile minimum range. Line of sight.

To be clear, either the weapons dont work or earth is flat.

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Just need some background chanting to go with the preaching.

ISS
ISS
ISS.

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