[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread

How do global, acr, and wptgold compare in various respects to ignition?

Have u tried coin or any other us-facing sites?

I tried all except WPTgold. Global I don't believe has enough of a player base to be worth while from what I see. I don't see it as a serious option for players looking to make some type of an income playing.

ACR - looks reg heavy to me the higher the stakes you go. SNGs are unplayable there. The multi tournament selection is probably middle of the road It's not super small stakes, but not high buy ins either. I'd think it would still tough to make a living doing that. You need a lot of randos to do well in tournaments with structures that continue to evolve towards quicker elevated blinds. Cash I can't comment much on, but from what I'm aware of cash games have gotten worse and worse across all the main sites in recent years

Coinpoker - Downloaded it. Interesting site with potential. I don't think the base is big enough right now to make a reliable income there from what I see. Cash games look limited and reg dominated. Tournaments tend to be skewed towards lowerish buy ins. I think you're looking at mostly $20-$100. The fields there are probably very beatable, but how much are you making for the hours put in? Sngs I'm not sure they even offer those either. Sngs are basically done on American sites

WPT Gold - Have not played. Have heard the games are soft. Probably money to be made there at cash and multis, but 1 table limit. That's the problem

Problems overall - declining casual player base. Gen Z is moving out of poker into sports betting. Options in terms of game types you can profit at are limited across the board. SNGs are essentially a dead format. Many people used to make money doing those. Cash games were exploitable, but then too much stuff on GTO going mainstream and being accessible led to an influx of regs, bots, etc. Made pretty much any games above 1/2 a joke. So you're kinda just left specifically with multi tourneys and those have incredible variance and VERY TIME CONSUMING. You want to win some of these? You're playing for 8-10 hours. It's your whole night. Is 3k for first place at a $100 tournament for 9 hours worth it on average? That's what it often is on bovada. I really don't think so. You also may have bad structures, limited options in terms of buyin types and formats, etc.

gold ,coin and even to a certain extend acr are growing. the viral video of the mtt botfarm had a big effect on ignition and the other sites are taking in all the traffic

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but it's what keeps me from playing on Ignition lately. In cash, when I SIT OUT, either intentionally or accidently, it will not let me back in until the BB. This is extremely aggravating. I can't leave the table for a short need wo waitng an orbit. This has to be a bug, no? Why is no one else mentioning this?

I've experienced this, as well as, many of the things tradenine and others are mentioning like the return of the 59% and the 99% spinning death.. The pain is real. I don't use any third party table management software, therefore I am manually topping up. There are enough times where I preflop three-bet or four-bet in the small blind and the money goes in preflop or on the flop and I am trying to top up. I lose the damn hand which stings enough and then it doesn't reload me on the table and it sits me out instead of getting to play my button which is the absolute best position on the table. I try not to think about how much money this cost me not getting to play my button over a year or now going on more than a decade.

Coinpoker and ACR are both fairly soft and have plenty of action. ACR have got their **** together as well, its actually nice playing on there now.

Also disagree about poker losing interest in USA, the game obviously isn't at its peak and it's also not at COVID peaks but it's been steadily growing since the COVID spike drop off.

can login on the browser but can't launch the desktop or browser lobby. anyone else?

I went straight to the browser version, so I can't say anything about the desktop version and I don't risk logging out to see, but I will say that several things about the browser log in were different and updated today, from the log-in pop-up, lobby appearance, etc. so that did change something in the last 24 hours.

Yes - they have broken something on the back-end.

I sent a few emails to "customer support" including a video of the issue; they are still asking me to clear my browser cache.

Same issue, if anyone finds a fix let us know.

Looks like something broke. Logged in on the website, but the site and desktop are not functioning properly.

The layout when you click to log in is different. You can't click to get in through the desktop. We'll see if they figure it out. It worked for me last night through about 4/5am today so they just updated this in the morning and ofc they messed it up

Bovada client works, Ignition client doesn't.. did an Ignition fresh install, still don't work..

Works on ignition now too. Everyone should be good to go. I didn't have to redownload anything or clear cache, any of the typical bs they always tell you to do

Only site where series events are worse then normal schedule

Are all u guys winning consistently on ignition?

This is by far the weirdest site i've ever played on.

I was a solid winning reg on stars and full tilt back in the day. Sngs and mtts. I think my sharkscope rating for stars, where ive played far more than anywhere else, is 89.

After black friday, i played on different sites - i can't even remember them all - cake, merge, black chip, rpm, etc. As far as i know, Im up on every site i've ever played on.

When i transitioned to ignition, it took weeks or months to adjust. I found the play way different than any site I've played on before. The player pool tendencies are just different - I think more loose and splashy, which makes a massive difference in short stack games with a lot of push/fold.

In any case, while im up on ignition too, I haven't been able to win significantly in years. I've been playing very sporadically the last few years up until recently, but when i do play, an overwhelming number of sessions are break even or losing.

The strangest part of this, of course, is that im playing against by far the worst players ive ever played with. Often drooler-level.

The inability to turn a significant profit has gone on for a really long time. And I can't make sense of it.

I know there's collusion and bots. But what i observe at the tables regardless is really bad play by a lot, if not the majority, of players.

Obviously the level for all players has risen in the past 15 years, including the fish. Maybe I'm underestimating the extent to which this is true. But I consistently watch people stack off insanely light, make horrid all in bluffs, exhibit a complete lack of training/proper strategy, light money on fire via ICM suicide, etc.

Most of the players at most tables seem to fall into the fishy category.

On stars back in the day, i used to table select mid and high stakes SNGs, and if there were at least two big losers registered, I was in. The rest of the table could be all winning regs - but the two or three fish made it profitable.

On ignition, I feel like the majority of the sng/mtt player pool are similar to those big fish, or maybe breakeven players at best. The level of play just seems so low compared to even low/midstakes sngs on stars 15+ years ago.

I will add an asterisk to that - the ignition player pool is bad in a different way. They are more loose, splashy, wild, aggressive. And this type of bad in some ways makes the games that i play - short stack tournaments - harder. You get called more, you can't steal/shove as wide... in a lot of spots u have to play way tighter than equilibrium because the fish will call u on sng/triple up bubbles with 40% of hands instead of the 5% they're supposed to be calling with.

All that said, I'm consistently playing solid in fishy games with lots of bad play, and barely winning. Over a really long period of time. And I can't figure out why.

Maybe it's just some brutal variance, or perhaps there are bigger, more esoteric reasons im unaware of.

Or maybe there is more shadiness to this site than just the colluders and bots. TBH I don't think so, not to a significant degree anyway. But speculation runs rampant, with ignition's clearly lax security, apparent incompetence, lack of regulation, and well-documented incidents in recent years.

I suppose this argument can be largely put to bed if a lot of you are doing well, which I think is probably the case.

If anyone has any thoughts here, or wants to share their own experience, I'd love to hear it.

Bovada is the only site I have seen that often has worse players the higher the stakes. Maybe not at the nosebleeds like 10/20, but I am convinced it is easier to win at 2/5 than it is at .25/50NL..

Well, I figured out how to get around the browser poker access problem, and I will share. The bummer is that as long as some people can figure it out too, then Ignition may never realize they still have a problem, with fewer players on-site as a result. And I don't have the patience anymore to try to educate the non-help desk. Oh well - "Accept the things you cannot change".

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There are 2 access blocking points. The first is on initial entry to ignitioncasino.eu it says Welcome Back. I login, and it just loops, appearing to be doing nothing. But in fact it seems the log in has taken place. It's just that the navigation has not proceeded. So if I click on my account (upper right) I can get to that screen. Then click on Transactions. And from there to the Iggy home page (upper left).

The second is as follows. There are now 5 labels at the top. I click on POKER. Then I choose Play Now. I get an ABOUT IGNITION CASINO screen. This is an infinite loop. The secret move here is to click on Tournaments at the top. From there, choose just about any topic (e.g. Mystery Knockout). Toward the bottom of that article, click PLAY NOW. Bingo! You should now be sitting in the Poker Lobby.

The funny thing is that if you observe the "hover text" that shows up during the first unsuccessful method, and that which shows up right before bingo, they are identical.

Hope this helps someone, even if not everyone.

p.s. I am using FireFox

Anybody else getting constant disconnections lately? Impossible to play, lost few buy-ins already.

Very long time reg here. Hu sngs. I've posted here before. I was on bovada for 10 years and got banned right out of the blue last fall. Ignition, the same network, did the same after a few months. I did not break any TOS. Bovada accused me of breaking sportsbetting rules - I lost tons of money sportsbetting actually. Did nothing differently 2016-2024 than I did 2025. Ignition accused me of making "illegal chip transfers." Remember, I played hu sngs . . . there's no chip transfering that goes on at those tables ever because there's a buy in fee to get in and if you want to send $ to a friend it makes no sense to do it that way. Both were total bs. I asked support for specifics each time and they gave me some generic answer. What happened is they started purging players last fall. Either a) they installed some AI software that mistakenly flagged certain accounts or b) they wanted to get rid of winning players. I'm leaning towards b). I was able to get paid out though, and trust me if I really broke TOS they just keep your $. They know they'd get in a lot of trouble if they kept $ from players for this stuff. So it's like a casino, you can make money card counting and they'll pay you, but you eventually get kicked out.

I used a friend's account to play on ignition after I got banned. I got a few automated warnings for "illegal chip transfers" and just today they banned me from poker, although not the casino. I hadn't made a withdrawal in a while, but just did Friday and it feels a lot like that was what triggered it. Like I had made plenty of withdrawals as I've won consistently and the next they were gonna axe me. For context, I was on for 5 months November till now and averaged 8-10k a month depending on volume. During covid on bovada, I did about 250k April of 2020 to April of 2021. Made way more $, all hu sngs. Back then though, they had a large base and they didn't care about winning players as there was so much coming in.

The networks are in big trouble. They don't have the player base they used to. I don't think they have any idea what they're doing. There were a million hu regs/bots before the structure changes last fall, and afterwards they ALL went away. Except for one guy who I know wasn't a bot. Eventually he disappeared a few months ago. His account possibly got banned too. If it wasn't for me though, the hu games wouldn't fill at all hardly $50 and up. I was responsible for most of the traffic. You go even lower like $5 and $10 those games are almost empty all day too. Even the micros.

I have a question - but first, the reason for my question . . .

I play on the Ignition skin, and I HATE their cash games lobby, if you want to call it that. Want to know how many tables are running at each of the half dozen possible stakes? Tough bananas. It's a secret. Can't show you that. So you choose a stakes level at random and sit down. You are the only player at the table, with a message that you can wait here until they find an open seat for you at another table. Is there really another table running? Sorry, that's a secret. Can't show you that. We'd rather you stayed here until another unsuspecting player sits down, at which point you have to either play heads-up, or leave the table and start all over again. WTF ! Worst cash games lobby in the history of online poker. Oh, and if a game is winding down and it gets down to 2 players and one of you sits out, we IMMEDIATELY close the table - because we sure wouldn't want to keep the table open in case more players show up. No, that would make too much sense. WTF !

So, anyway, since I have no hope of ever seeing that get changed, my question is - Do any of the other skins have a better cash games lobby, or are they all the same? Thanks in advance.

It's an anonymous site. No screen names. You're in the dark on everything here. Basically no customer support. It's the most unprofessional large poker platform I've ever seen.

Here's what I can tell ya - traffic is bleeding BAD. I think there's a good chance poker is done by the start of 2028 here. I've played on this site forever, mainly sngs. If you registered in micros, you used to get filled up in 2 minutes. You'd be 3 tabling in ten minutes. Want to play at 8 in the morning? A little slower, but sure games will fill up and you'll probably be playing a couple different players within the hour. Mornings are just flat out dead now. Maybe you get one person an hour. Afternoons might be worse. The only somewhat reliable time frame is evenings. And after midnight it dries up fast too. I'd say 12-5 am central you'd reliably get action. Now it's really 12-2 am, with 2-3 being a wild care. 3-5 close to dead.

They've lost a ton of players. And that's why they ban people like me from poker. Their new plan is no regs lol. Doesn't work though. You need some regs to bring in action. If I took off 3 months from hu sngs, they'd see the amount of games running drop 80%. So really it's like why even bother offering the games? If you can't handle one guy winning at a decent clip who is responsible for a lot of action in a particular niche, what are you doing? They might as well get rid of all the sngs.

There were so many regs/bots that came in right after covid. You wouldn't believe how many hu regs there were. I'm talking you look at the $50 stakes, and you see 14 tables taken up at one time. I saw 18 and 19 tables at certain stakes I think a few times lol. I had to strategically look for small windows in the day to play. There were almost always 6-10 filled tables all across $20 and up. After last fall, almost every single reg at hu disappeared. I do think they tried to clean out bots, but they're using some sort of very crappy AI system potentially. All I know is I got flagged for doing the same thing I did the previous 10 years.

It would be nice to have someone else post on here who is the same boat who got flagged for likely winning too much. There was a guy who notoriously won 50-60k at cash vs the bots in 2024 and got banned from poker. They never used to do that though. If you played in the 2010s, I think you'd know that poker has tailed off. It's far less popular now. People have less disposable income to experiment with. Solvers everywhere. I mean I'm just telling ya I remember the poker boom and it was such a cool thing for a while. Young guys now want to be content creators on YT, gamble, etc. You're getting states moving out, and a player base that isn't being replenished by youngsters like it used to be. It's collapsing. People who disagree have no idea what it used to be like. Google poker site traffic and look at the graphs

Highly recommend looking elsewhere. Only reason I bother talking about bovada/ignition is it's been a reliable source of income for me for a very long time. But the site as a whole is a ticking time bomb

Ignition and hu sngs are the past.

Your join date says 2007. That doesn't mean you have been playing on some version of Bodog since then, but if you have been around long enough, there were once regular cash game lobbies...if I recall correctly. Poker is getting less and less popular, on any poker site. They removed the cash game lobbies here partly to hide just how few players there are. But I can go onto YouTube right now any streamer trying to stream any poker site has a hard time even finding several tables to stream that don't have a lot of empty seats besides streaming fast fold poker. some streamers in ring fenced areas almost never are streaming games without empty seats. some streamers go so far as to stream multiple limits just to get a few tables doing something like NLH25 tables mixed all the way up to NLH500 which isn't what normal people's stake ranges are. Your complaint about empty tables has not a damn thing to do with Ignition. Seriously. You are simply complaining about how Ignition decided to hide the major decline in pokers popularity over the last 15 years.