GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Surprising Dumars scoring that low. Maybe becasue he had Isiah, vinne "microwave" Johnson, Laimbeer, Mark Aguire. Did he play with Adrian Dantley, if he did that guy got alot of the points too. Dumars was the meat and potatoes of that team. Isiah had his great scoring moments, but Dumars was the consistency on that team. Kinda like James Worthy was for Majic. And also Dumars defense made him a pretty good player. When i say pretty good, i mean pretty great.

No, Pippen wasn't a great scorer, but he got to play with the goat so he got alot of opportunites to score. Especially since him and Jordan didn't have much help for scoring. So when Jordan needed a break Pippen took over scoring duties.

So, Isiah, vinne "microwave" Johnson, Laimbeer, Mark Aguire kept Dumars scoring down, but MJ (the GOAT scorer?) didn't keep Pippen's scoring down.

Got it.

If Jordan wasn't there Pippen's scoring would be up obviously. Especially since the bulls were so deprived of talent compared to Lebron's teams. Who else could create their own shot or drive to the hoop? But Pippen got lot's of easy points becasue the whole team was double and triple teaming Jordan.

Well I mean Cartwright & Harper were both 20ppg scorers before playing with MJ. As you've noted, that means they are "great scorers". Kukoc was a 20ppg scorer after leaving the Bulls.

So depraved of talent though.

Being that the Bulls were "so depraved of talent". You're thoughts how they'd go against the 2017 Warriors?

Good question. While the Warriors were a great team, and much better than the Bulls, Jordan would prevail becasue he's Jordan. He wouldn't let anyone beat him in a final. So he would takeover the games and win. So Bulls in 6, because Jordan never needs a 7th game.

He needed 2 Game 7s in the Championship years. Shot 36% in one of them.

So now we're criticizing Jordan because 2 times, somewhere in the playoffs, had to go a 7th game while winning 6 championships and zero losses? How did Lebron do? How did any other player do?

I didn't criticise him. You said he didn't need a Game 7. I was correcting you.

I was referring to the finals. You asked me a question on the 2017 warriors vs Jordan in the finals. He never played a game 7 in the finals becasue he always won before game 7. So there was nothing to correct.

All good bro, but let's keep it real. Hope i'm not upsetting you, not my intention, i'm just enjoy the discussion. All meant in good fun!

That's what the loser of the argument says

Your so-called "boredom" is you simply being wrong.. It sucks to be wrong, just like boredom

Ultimately, it would be weak for Jokic to team-up with SGA and Senguin (Wade/Bosh).... And when this big 3 wins the West, they shouldn't get props for it - people shouldn't be like "can you believe Jokic/SGA/Senguin won the conference again??.. Goat stuff"...

However, this is exactly how people think about Lebron's team-ups - they're impressed when Lebron wins the East after putting the top 3 scorers in the conference on 1 team, or barely winning 50 games with the preseason favorite, thereby falling to perennial underdog.. This is goat stuff to Lebron fans.

But it's not an NBA Final.

I don't believe it would need 7 games either. Mainly because the Warriors would win in 5.

Fantastic.

Your style is destroying Fidstar.

I bookmarked your post as the blueprint for debating him.

Probably a good idea for you, since you've never won a debate with me.

Based on the stats, that seems unlikely.

First of all, the Warriors wouldn't destroy the Bulls in team assists like they did with Lebron's teams - this matters in Lebron's case because his teams need to out-assist the opponent to win playoff series, and therefore have massively losing records against great ball movement teams like the Warriors.

Otoh, the Bulls were an all-time ball movement team, so they wouldn't get destroyed in team assists like Lebron.. Furthermore, Jordan never needed his teams to out-assist the opponent to win anyway - Jordan won plenty of series with lower team assists than the opponent, because MJ could simply take over games by himself.. He could win without the best team assists (teamwork) because he was so dominant individually.. But regardless, the Bulls would match or exceed the Warriors in team assists anyway.

(And yes, it's funny that Lebron needs higher team assists to win a playoff series, yet his style of imposing spot-up roles lowers everyone's assists and produces low assist teams).
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No one in the 90's said the Bulls were stacked or loaded, or something to that effect, and the evidence is that no one ever said it, aka you have to find someone that did.

Again, it's a new narrative because no one would ever think that a roster with only 2 guys reaching 8 ppg is loaded (97' Playoffs).. Magic and Isiah both said the Bulls were a 1-man team during the 93' Finals, which has been posted many times itt.

Again, all the evidence is on my side because it's widespread common knowledge that the Bulls were a 1-man team offensively (Kenny Smith said this last week), and this offensive carrying by Jordan allowed the GM to build a roster of defenders.

Btw, you also lost the NBA height debate, and many more... It's easy to go back and look

We beat you in different ways.

He's much more concise and gets you angry, while I get into the weeds with the numbers and just shut you up..

Both ways are effective.. For example, my method was effective in proving how today's game is a bunch of shrimps that MJ would feast on.. i.e. there are zero 6'7" SG's that start in today's game compared to dozens each year in the 90's.. Overall, players are shorter than ever at 4 of 5 positions today.

using inflated heights from the 90s compared to actual heights of today is crazy

A series win at 41 as the 1st banana - throwing assists to his son along the way. The last 10 days has added more to his legacy. What you watched in this series is completely insane, so out of bounds beyond any reasonable expectations we could have held for players at this age. MJ could never.

Jordan would've willed his team to victory if Murray had a bad game. Jokic is def <<<<< LeBron

Jokic’s loss to Wolves far worse than Bron’s loss to Mavs.

Bron’s win over Rockets better than every MJ series win except_______?

Also, just getting in early.

No one is expecting the Lakers to win a game against OKC unless Luka returns (and then they're expected to win 1).

Dan Majerle was legit 6'7".

So was Clyde Drexler.

So was Reggie Miller, Reggie Lewis, Stacey Augmon, Dale Ellis and many more SG's from the 90's.. Steve Smith was 6'8".

Otoh, there are zero 6'7" SG's that start in today's game.. The majority of SG's are 6'3" to 6'5", while the 90's were 6'5" to 6'7".

This is historical fact.. Again, the heights of Reggie Miller, Clyde and others aren't exaggerated.. SG's, SF's and bigs were simply taller back then - there's no refuting this with wishful thinking about exaggerated heights...

The reason why players were taller back then is because the game was played closer to the basket where height was valued more than today's 3ball format (where any shrimp can hit a three).

So I've just proven you guys wrong definitively... Again.

Lebron would be lottery without Luka and was simply gifted a playoff team that he didn't earn, while facing a lottery team (no KD).. So the victory means nothing and OKC will prove it, similar to the 07' Spurs showing that a 22 on 35% player won the weakest East ever.

OKC will lock up Lebron and reveal his true capability at 41 years old.. Again, Lebron would be lottery without Luka/AD and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Ultimately, Lebron is the luckiest player ever and the current situation is another example (being gifted a playoff team when he's actually a lottery player).