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Not sure if you're talking about yourself or vic, tbh.

At least now we all know for certain that you're an antisemite.

You're typing most of the go-to antisemitic tropes here.

And I say this agreeing with you that the charge of antisemitism is thrown out way too loosely.

I'm sorry you're so full of hate for Jews. You're obviously not alone, per the stats from the FBI.

The real issue is Colonialism.

Israel has no right whatsoever to exist, and does only exist as an extension of legacy middle east Colonialism.

It's inherently destabilizing.

if you agree with the bolded, then why do you repeat it? you really should read about how all these bullshit stats get cooked. you can start here https://jewishcurrents.org/examining-the...

sure. but as I read it described from a much smarter person than myself, Israel is the current sword and shield of the Empire. so cleaving it away would be a massive win for anti-Imperialism, and ofc a massive win for the millions that Israel is intent on genociding.

and ofc an important rhetorical device for this powerful and important tool of the Empire is the antisemitism bullshit.

When you say Israel has no right to exist, how do you construe that? Because it’s certainly not in virtue of international law, which clearly acknowledges and accepts Israel’s right to exist. By virtue of international law, it’s actually Palestine that has no established legal right to exist.

I'll read your article.

I suppose this stuff about England from wikipedia is all made up too, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemiti...

Between the 2023 Gaza War's outbreak and March 2024, the police in England and Wales recorded 140,561 hate crimes, 70% of which were racially motivated,[72] while the spike in hate crimes was caused by a bump in antisemitic offences.[72][73] In England and Wale alone, 3,282 antisemitic offences have been recorded, more than doubled vis-à-vis the previous year, while allegedly anti-Muslim offences rose by 13%.[74]

The CST recorded 4,103 antisemitic incidents in 2023 compared to 1,510 in 2022.[60][75] The CST tallied 272 antisemitic incidents during the 2023–2024 school year, over five times the number in the previous year. In one example, the University of Leeds Jewish chaplain received threats to rape and kill his wife and murder his children. The surge mirrored the previous peak which was during the 2021 Israel-Hamas conflict.[76] According to the CST, nearly 2,000 antisemitic incidents were recorded in the first half of 2024, marking the highest number ever documented in a six-month period.[77]

CST incident figures remained elevated in the second half of 2024, with 3,528 incidents reported that year.[68] In October 2024, a Swastika and antisemitic slogans were graffitied at a golf club in a Jewish area of London. London police are investigating the incident and a hate crime.[78]

In the first half of 2025, according to a report by CST, 1,521 antisemitic incidents were recorded across the United Kingdom, amounting to more than 200 cases per month.[79]

in the UK its illegal to wear a shirt that says "I support Palestine Action". its all bullshit man.

Actually if you listen to what you quoted in its entirety, you will realize that he is implicitly acknowledging Israel’s right to exist under international law (the Balfur Declaration being the first basis of it). If I was arguing that Zionism is a liberation movement or a religious movement, you might have a reason to post this, but I’m not.

So again, when you say Israel doesn’t have a right to exist, what do you mean by that? How are you construing rights?

bruv is in here using international law to argue in favor or the country running rape torture concentration camps and slaughtering hundreds a day. bruv no one gives a **** about international law anymore. its a joke. its a tool of the Empire.

You bore the living **** out of me. I have said what I said. Kwame filled in the gaps. It's a critique of Colonialism and Imperialism. I'm not here to have a discussion on Rawls Theory or whatever.

He invoked rights. So what are rights outside international law?

So does Israel have a right to exist then? Why did you invoke Israel not having a right to exist? Is that just ******ed leftist sloganeering?

You are like the Cinema Sins of posters.

You invoke Israel not having a right to exist. I ask what you mean by that because by international law they do. You then post Kwame Ture saying why Zionism is not a liberation movement, while acknowledging that they have a right to exist under international law as if that supports your position (it supports mine).

Then after all this is done you complain about how I’m a bad poster.

Maybe you’re just bad faith. After all you did call yourself an “authoritarian leftist” which basically means you agree with some of the most evil and disgusting regimes in history. I shouldn’t expect someone with that level of evil in their hearts to actually care about what the truth is.

So do you guys want to define what you mean by having a right to exist then? Because again, it clearly doesn’t refer to international law.

I would say that I think it just means that this is a slogan lefties adopted that just means you don’t like Israel and want to see it destroyed, without actually having any idea what you mean by “right”.

this sounds about right

anyway, Im done with this convo bud. wrong thread and all.

For the astute audience paying attention, notice how he once again does not offer a definition of what a country having a right to exist means.

There’s plenty of countries that treat their neighbors like **** that still have a right to exist under international law. Even if we can say that everything in that post is true (it’s not, for instance there were hundreds of thousands of Palestinian workers from Gaza coming and going into Israel prior to October 7) it has nothing to do with the original question so it’s a dodge.

Now imagine that we actually take seriously what the post is trying to do, which is criticize Israel’s actions and try to put the shoe on the other foot. What would naturally follow from sympathy to Palestine is a belief that both countries should have a right to exist, ie a two-state solution, something that is explicitly harmed by stating that Israel doesn’t have a right to exist (not that it’s on the table at this point in time).

Israel does exist though and is going nowhere. It’s a shame people hate Israel just because they keep winning wars. If they continue to be attacked they will continue to take land. What’s destabilizing is the unwillingness to accept Israel’s dominance in this area.

If this actually happened the Palestinians would exterminate all the Jews living there. They would rape and torture them first.

Sound about right?

Might that have something to do with the fact that Palestine Action has been designated a terrorist organization by the UK government? Omitting that little factoid is typical of your willful bad-faith posting on this subject.

Since I don't hate Israeli's or Palestinians I try to be open-minded on this topic. There is much debate in the UK about whether or not Palestine Action should be designated a terrorist organization. But given that they in fact ARE designated as such, and given it is against the law in the UK to publicly show support for a terrorist organization, proscribing the wearing of those shirts is logical.

what's wrong with colonialism ! whatever Israel does is not colonialism tho that era is long over the middle east does not have that much of a technological gap like it did tn the 1700's. just incompetence. I hate the new era hate of historic colonialism tho. you cant put your current Morales back in time. It did a lot of bad but it did a lot of good. unpopular opinion colonialism was good. heck they taught that in school like a decade ago