Do you have to say "check" or knock the table at the end if last to act?

It's not a check as far as I know but I wouldn't be against these actions being forced checks if abused.

Normally I just wait a few extra seconds or more to judge the situation. Sometimes ask if that person checked or if we're at showdown.

Cash vs tournament also makes a difference in practicality how it's treated.

The safe approach would be to say check or rap the table. It is mostly interpreted that showing as last to act means you have checked where I have played. Of course this leaves the situation open to angle shooting.

I’m pretty sure the intent of turning over cards when last to act on the river is indeed almost always a check. I’ve done this many times myself and it has always been assumed to be a check (which was my intent). I also think that if they said they didn’t check and wanted to bet instead that they would be permitted to bet. I fail to see how exposing your hand then betting would give you any advantage though since your opponents could respond perfectly.

Perhaps if you have two opponents and one is ahead of you but worried that the other might be ahead of them you could get a better hand to fold?? But it seems like that player would be even more likely to fold if he didn’t know he was beating you and was worried about both opponents being ahead.

I assume you mean to say "WOULDN'T"

Well if they have turned their hand up there's no need to wait since their hand is on display and they are tabling a hand that cannot be changed by any future cards. Seems it is a check regardless of cash or tourny

Then why'd you ask?

Because I was wondering if it was a thing or in the rules. Also it might have been fine and perhaps it's common knowledge that's it's a check if you do that.

Is there not another rule that after you've exposed your hand you can only call? Since a check is a bet or zero and it's the last round would that not mean it's a check?

So what if he decides to bet with his hand exposed?

Easy decision to call or raise if you have him beat.

It's widely understood that tabling your hand from last position when all other players have checked to you on the river is a check. In effect, you've passed on your option to bet and moved straight to showdown.

I see and do this all the time in limit games. It means I think my hand is strong enough that it might be good, but it's not strong enough for me to bet given the final runout. In a split-pot game like O8, it might also mean I think we're chopping and see no point in betting, especially since I could be quartered. It's a way to move the game along, to avoid the absurd dynamic of no one wanting to turn their hand over at showdown.

There's no benefit to showing my hand and then betting. My opponents will be able to play perfectly against me—folding when they're beat, and calling or raising when they're not.

The angle I sometimes see is a player turning over a hand before the river action is complete, in order to get a free showdown. This could be done from any position. Sometimes it's a legitimate mistake, though often it's a sign of weakness and fear. If you have yet to act, don't let this premature tabling of a hand dissuade you from betting. If you check a better hand (or a hand you were intending to bluff with) to avoid seeming to take advantage of your opponent's "mistake," you only encourage him to employ this angle again.

Don't think you're allowed to raise with an exposed hand. Betting must be the same

You making up rules?

Shocker.

Do we really need to go down another what you think rabbit hole? Your limited $10 bar tourney experience doesn’t translate well to casino/cardroom cash games. While exposing your hand is verboten in tournaments, it is commonly allowed in cash games. Where allowed, not universal, you can definitely bet or raise.

I've seen a ruling where someone is only allowed to call. Exposing their hand must have been the reason for such a ruling.

Remember Fore, this is a forum and you're allowed to ask questions or suggest situation and ask what would happen. Not everyone is as boring as you.

Question?

So I'm utg on the river and check my royal and it checks to the button.
He turns his hand up and bets...
You suggesting he can't bet?
Or are you suggesting I can't raise?

If somebody last to act turns over their hand on the river and isn't checking then their opponent will know if they have them beat or not if they bet. Only an idiot would turn over their hand and then bet. In general when the final player to act turns their hand over when everyone else has checked, they are checking as well.

The big issue when the last player to act turns over their hand on the river is if there is a bet that they have to call. Because they are not required to call. If somebody assumes they are calling and turns over a better hand, the last to act player can then say they are folding. The other thing that can happen is that the other players in the hand can all muck and the player who turned their hand over gets to win the hand without risking calling money. When this happens I will always ask the player who turned over their hand whether it is a call or a fold. I will not turn over my hand or muck it until I see at least one chip make it out there.

The biggest issue though is that the player turning over their hand when facing a bet is mostly looking for reads on the player who bet on the river. And possibly also any callers as well. This is why it is not allowed in tournaments. If a player turns over their hand while there is still action (like on the river when facing a bet) then they will get at least a 3 hand penalty after the hand is over. It used to be a 1 round penalty (so at a table with 9 players they would be forced to sit out 9 hands).

There are multiple reasons might be held to a check, call, fold (iow, no aggressive actions allowed). Some are good rulings some can be bad, but it is a real leap to say it must be because they exposed there hand.

As to question, when you have asked questions, you have received good responses and explanations. But that is not your normal post nor what you did here. You normally make a ‘ruling ‘ or rule interpretation that is simply wrong or not applicable to the specific situation. Then when corrected by numerous more experienced and knowledgeable posters, often nearly unanimously, you dig in and try to justify your (wrong) position.

Here you did not ask. You ruled that bet or raise is not allowed. And as typical, for most of your rulings, you were wrong (or applying wrong rule).

You think your bar room $10 non regulated tournaments being held to drive beer sales translate to regulated casino cash games with hundreds cash in every pot and 5 or even 6 figures on the table. Sorry it doesn’t work like that.

statement

If a hand is face up it makes sense that they should only be allowed to call from this point on.

Fore it sounds like you lack live experience and common sense.

on a side tangent, sometimes when heads up and the villain shoves, meaning action is closed, i sometimes flip my hand over to try to get a reaction from the shover

there's been a few times where despite not mucking the hand, the dealer assumes that was a fold and reaches to grab my cards

so i now verbally declare something like i'm not sure if i'm calling yet, here's what i got so the dealer doesn't muck it

Is that allowed in a tournament?

Wrong and wrong.

Liking your own post eh?

How about answering my questions from above?

i play cash