Floor ruling using camera
Played a bit at a LA, the state not city, casino this weekend, and had a situation that was a first for me.
There was an all in on the turn, player 1 had a flush and player 2 called. I wasn't involved and didn't pay that close attention, but player 2 turned over pocket Jacks. after river, the dealer pulls the jacks into the muck and starts to slide the pot to player 1. Player 2 then starts protesting as the river was another heart, player 1's flush was in hearts, and he says he had the J of hearts, which would have been a higher flush. The dealer picks up the stub digs through the muck and throws out two jacks saying these are your cards and neither was a heart. One other guy at the table, guy sitting right next to him says he saw a heart. The dealer is adamant no heart, floor is called. The dealer didn't just pull two cards from the bottom he dug into the stub and found two non-heart Jacks.
When the floor came over they looked and found the J of hearts was in the stub as well. The dealer told him about one player saying he saw a heart, and the floor says if another player can confirm he can award him the pot. That seemed a bit arbitrary to me, thinking back I am not sure he said that but that was the impression I had, that if someone else could confirm a heart. No one else did,
So the floor goes and calls for them to go to the camera. We sat there a good 5 to 10 minutes waiting and the game was halted until he came back. That was a first for me, halting the game for that long and going to a camera. When the floor came back he said the camera was inconclusive. So player 1 got the pot.
I thought player 2 was going to get thrown out, He initially took it pretty well, obviously wasn't happy, Don't know if he had it but I felt like he thought he did, he seemed pretty confident when they came back from looking at camera he would get the pot. After the floor walks away the dealer says to him again, I am 100% sure those were your cards and this set the guy off. He told the dealer to stop F***ing lying and this got a response form the dealer about cursing, and guy came back again about Fing lying again and finally the dealer let it go. Guy didn't say another word about it after that.
[to mod] I meant to put this here and accidentally put it in general poker discussion, sorry. this is a copy of that post, the other can be removed.
I've seen many rulings come back as "inconclusive". It could mean the camera angle wasn't good enough to tell the suites or maybe the camera wasn't even recording.
The reason you have to stop the action is because they don't have a specific time where to took on the video.
All of this is why I never ever give up my cards until the pot is pushed to me. I flip my cards over, keeping them protected with my hand until the pot is pushed. Such an easy thing to do, and avoids so many situations.
This.
I never hand over my cards until the pot is pushed to me, it's a great habit to get into. There are times when dealers like to put the cards in the middle for everyone to see, but I'm still keeping a close eye on them.
Definitely risky to toss cards forward at Showdown. In PLO I will typically push/toss the two cards (I think) I'm playing forward and keep the other two somewhat back. A few Players just silently turn their hand over as close to them as possible. Showdowns with them are a lot slower than the average, especially since they don't 'set' their hand in order or at least in a manner where a pp is touching each other.
Trying to make Showdown as efficient as possible does create potential for accidental mucking .. and you have Dealers who will grab cards and bring them to the center of the table 'for all to see' as well. I've seen where the Dealer grabs them and intends to table them, but then does an incorrect double take and sends them right into the muck pile. GL
In cash games I think you continue playing while camera review happens. But floor should escrow that pot. Not perfect as someone’s stack might be much more shallow but better than a 20+ min wait.
That is what they do here. I have even seen not escrowing pot. Ofc this is bad since the orig winner can lose those chips before ruling overturned. Saw that happen once. Luckily the player who busted orig winner was the revised winner. The change came immediately after orig winner busted. He had revised winner covered in that hand but after that loss plus returning contested pot he was $80 short. Revised winner was fine with it even 5hough the now loser pulled $100 out of his pocket to rebuy.
