ClubWPTGold - RNG discussion
I should be up a lot. The games do seem incredible. Thats why it feels off to not be up a lot after a decent amount of
This is a very tired and feckless debate bro trope. "I don't like your manners so you're probably dumb!"
Try just saying why you think he's wrong
Alternatively, you could just try reading.
Then embrace the variance.
Why be mad you made every right decision
Are you so intellectually talented you make such amazing deviations but so intellectually challenged to understand despite this, you will still lose 10% of the time
Talk about a conundrum
From what you've shared thus far, I'm sure your life if full of conundrums.
ok
who else has noticed that when the board has a pair, trips come at a rate that is insane?
i might be off but i swear its happening way, way too often
aside from that, im seeing what coordi was saying. im routinely getting in money good but losing to fish over and over
some background, im a pro of 20 years and had a very consistent and high win rate on global PLO for years. this is easier than global but in 45000 hands im still unable to profit? so that's to say im not some whiney loser who goes around crying about an RNG ****ing him
this really feels off
these are the easiest games online and it's not even close. even on my worst game and running my worst, im almost never losing after 45000 hands in this pool
coordi is saying the same thing...
wtf
If I wasn't playing in games where it was clearly profitable to stack off bottom set then I wouldn't stack off bottom set. Its kind of a brain dead argument. I'm not complaining about losing set over set.
I'm complaining about this
T765r shoved flop
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At some point you start to think that you would have to win this all in like 300 times in a row to get your equity back and you have to think how long it would possible take to hit this position 300 times and then you lose another, and another, and its close to like 400 times in a row and people on the internet are telling you that you shouldn't stack off bottom set
edit: just stacked off a spot 3 way where we are 50/45/5 as two regs and the fish hit quads
Had to fold this one when they potted oop
They are 5% to hit to 3
All in on turn as 90% favorite
3 hands in a row. Identical suits.
2.3 Billion to 1
wild
not surprising though
in plo the if the board comes paired, it trips out at a rate that seems absolutely absurd to me. ive played 6 million hands of online poker, ive never seen so many trips run outs. its happening so much im game planning around my top pair being counterfeit and my pocket pairs going way up in value by the river
anyone else seeing this?
If I wasn't playing in games where it was clearly profitable to stack off bottom set then I wouldn't stack off bottom set. Its kind of a brain dead argument. I'm not complaining about losing set over set.I'm complaining about thisT765r shoved flop
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I thought you were complaining about WPT gold. Is it coinpoker too now? Or are all the sites conspiring against you and you specifically? Help me understand
I’m not sure people understand variance in this thread
If they binked the WSOP Main for $10 mil after winning 6 flips in a row, earned.
Lose a 95% in PLO? Rigged
The human mind fascinates me sometimes.
I'm not sure people understand variance in this thread
If they binked the WSOP Main for $10 mil after winning 6 flips in a row, earned.
Lose a 95% in PLO Rigged
The human mind fascinates me sometimes.
Bud this is many winning regs seeing a long term pattern that something may be off about this site. It’s the same way that people started realizing how bad the collusion and cheating is on ignition. It may be nothing but stop your whole shaming just because people are voicing their concerns.
Collusion and cheating are not the same as variance
People aren’t complaining they are getting cheated
They are complaining they are losing runouts
Or being dealt improbable hands
This is the softest site on the internet right now. Winning regs should have 20bb/100 winrates at minimum and realistically higher at every stake minus maaaaaaaybe 5/10/20 after rake.
And the rake is massive
If you aren’t winning on this site, despite bad runouts (lol), it’s not the site that’s the problem.
Collusion and cheating are not the same as variance People aren't complaining they are getting cheatedThey are complaining they are losing runoutsOr being dealt improbable handsThis is the softest site on the internet right now. Winning regs should have 20bb/100 winrates at minimum and realistically higher at every stake minus maaaaaaaybe 5/10/20 after rake. And the rake is mas
I am not complaining about losing,
I’m massively + on the site.
I am pro of twenty years, have played 6 million hands online
I have a deep understanding of variance
The rng does not feel right to me, nor my student who is also a crusher and many other winning players
Is something definitely off? Can’t say. Do I feel strongly that something is off while like you, sharing a healthy skepticism and aversion to “rigtard” comments on 2+2? Yes
I will continue playing and observing and reporting my findings
I thought you were complaining about WPT gold. Is it coinpoker too now? Or are all the sites conspiring against you and you specifically? Help me understand
Its the background to the cardplayer omaha odds calculator
I'm not sure people understand variance in this thread
If they binked the WSOP Main for $10 mil after winning 6 flips in a row, earned.
Lose a 95% in PLO Rigged
The human mind fascinates me sometimes.
It is a bit fascinating that you posted this like its what I'm doing or even relevant to the discussion. Fascinating indeed
Anyways, I withdrew off the site. Best of luck to anyone not running hundreds of buy ins under EV in tens of thousands of hands
UTG raises 4x
3 calls
Hero raises to 16x
BB and UTG call
Flop J65 r no clubs
BB checks, UTG bets 38x, Hero jams for 83x
UTG snap calls with 98 clubs and hits his gutshot.
He had less than 120 hands on the site ever.
I swear it's like everyone with less than 5k hands is in god-mode
I get the frustration. Variance in poker can feel unreal sometimes, especially when big pots keep going the wrong way over and over. Even when you know the math, it still messes with your head after a while.
By the way, I recently saw the Big Adventures tournament is wrapping up and they’re doing the final prize draw live. The winner gets a Maldives trip and it’s randomly picked from the Top 100 players.
If anyone wants to watch the draw
Dont know if anyone has mentioned this, but the distribution seems to be tied to VPIP. The play is so bad a natural agustment is to tighten up, but the "Fair Play" AI program they have punishes you for it.
RNG discussions come up on every site eventually. The reality is that regulated sites use certified RNG systems that get audited by third parties. The variance in poker is just brutal and human brains are wired to see patterns that arent there. If you track 10,000 hands you will find stretches that look impossible but are actually within normal statistical variance.
I have made over 1 million dollars playing online poker. I was the winningest sit-and-go player on the internet for the year 2010 before Black Friday. I have played unknown millions of poker hands.
Ok, so to the point of this message. I have played almost 30k hands of PLO on ClubWPT at mostly the $.25–$.50 and $.25–$.50–$1 stakes
It must suck to go from being the "winningest" SNG player to 0,25/0,50PLO
Is that also because of the RNG?
Questioning the RNG is not where my problem is. The problem is the reasoning or lack there of behind questioning the RNG. People say stuff like, "this doesn't feel right" or say something about running bad. I don't think I've seen one long term winning player who plays on WPT Gold complain about the RNG in this thread.Generally speaking, I think it's difficult for people to
Then you simply haven't read the thread. Most here who are ''complaining'' about the rng feeling off are doing so while being up heaps. I personally am and still feel something has been off since day 1.
This idea that you just understand variance better than the rest of us is a fantasy.
I cannot play WPT gold because of where I live and I can also not access their site
But im interested,
Does club WPT Gold have an RNG certification on their website?
It must suck to go from being the "winningest" SNG player to 0,25/0,50PLO
Is that also because of the RNG?
"Obviously, my poker winnings from the past are gone (non-poker reasons)."
This was my next sentence after what you quoted here. But yes it does suck.
It must also suck to have nothing better to do in life but read and comment on a poker forum about a site you cannot even play on. While lacking the self awareness to realize that perhaps your actions are more pathetic then someone playing .50-1.00 on ClubWPT Gold.
