5/5 deep. QQ preflop decision
$1800 effective
BU - aggressive reg.
BB - seems like a tight rec. Calling wide preflop, but plays tight postflop.
Straddle, calls, calls, Hero (QQ) raises to $60 from CO, BU raises to $180, BB calls, straddle and limpers fold. Hero - ???
And a few more questions about this hand:
1) If BU is an OMC, how do you play then?
2) If we 4bet and both call, and the flop is Th, Jh, or lower, what do we do?
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As played, I call and see a flop.
If BU is OMC but we still have a caller, I call and see a flop.
I don't 4bet unless I'm willing to gii pre or on most flops w/o an A or K.
What's the button's 3betting range? Does he 3bet a lot pre?
How "wide" does the BB, a tight player, call pre? His call of 180 is wide?
I would probably just let it go here but that's just me. If the tight player didn't cold call and the button does 3bet quite often then I can justify playing the hand.
We're almost 400 bb's deep so we have to decide if queens is really worth it here. If we call a cbet we're already committing it all.
4bet pre
What's the button's 3betting range? Does he 3bet a lot pre?
How "wide" does the BB, a tight player, call pre? His call of 180 is wide?
I would probably just let it go here but that's just me. If the tight player didn't cold call and the button does 3bet quite often then I can justify playing the hand.
We're almost 400 bb's deep so we have to decide if queens is really worth it here. If we call a cbet we're already committing it all.
I didn't see exact hands from BU, but I saw a few 3-bets from him. Seems like his range is wider than just AK, TT+.
BB is an old rec player who likes to call preflop with hands like KTo, J8s. But I never really saw a bad play from him on later streets. Seems like an experienced rec player who knows hand strength postflop.
What's the button's 3betting range? Does he 3bet a lot pre?
How "wide" does the BB, a tight player, call pre? His call of 180 is wide?
I would probably just let it go here but that's just me. If the tight player didn't cold call and the button does 3bet quite often then I can justify playing the hand.
We're almost 400 bb's deep so we have to decide if queens is really worth it here. If we call a cbet we're already committing it all.
Wtf your folding QQ here , are you trolling?
Straddle is 10, so we are 180bb (straddles) effective, right?
Given the reads on BTN and BB, and how deep we are, this looks like a standard 4bet, to ~500, and fold to a shove.
I might be onboard with a call if BB was not in the hand and BU was an OMC; but oop against an aggressive reg, I still prefer to 4bet, even HU.
I do not see how BB can possibly call a 4bet here, but anyway.
Assuming both call and BB checks flop, I would range bet small, like 1/4 or even 1/5 pot, folding to a shove.
I would 4bet HU and even more so w/ the BB cold call.
The BB who's a tight experienced player just flatted 180 pre, OOP. I rather not call this off (or even worse, 5bet/fold) hoping and praying he has jacks, but that's just me. He can still have kings in his range and even aces hoping the original raiser re-raises (I don't even think most tight OMC/ish type players flat with jacks for 180).
Straddle is 10, so we are 180bb (straddles) effective, right?
Given the reads on BTN and BB, and how deep we are, this looks like a standard 4bet, to ~500, and fold to a shove.
I might be onboard with a call if BB was not in the hand and BU was an OMC; but oop against an aggressive reg, I still prefer to 4bet, even HU.
I do not see how BB can possibly call a 4bet here, but anyway.
Assuming both call and BB checks flop, I would range bet small, like 1/4 or even 1/5 pot, folding to a shove.
Raise to 500? But that's too small. It's only 320 more for him to call.
Not really.
A typical 4bet size is 2.2x-2.5x, as far as I know. In this spot, being 3way, we may go a bit bigger, but your initial raise was already quite big because of the limpers, so overall I would remain in that ballpark.
