2/5 NL, 280bb deep vs good reg, decision point on all streets, middle set...4bet pot!
7 handed 2/5, around 3am, players are tired , still 2 fishes left but table seems like it's gonna break soon
Hero HJ (1400) QsQd raise to 15
Btn fish flats (225)
BB good TAG (covers) raises to 70
We have alot of history with BB, I consider him to be a really good player, he probably thinks the same of me. We usually play higher but no big tables running at the time.
Hero 4! to 250? I think this deep we should have some 4b value /folds, but maybe I could've just called to keep fish in. Also sizing I think 200-250 is good this deep, but maybe 250 was a bit too large...anyways
Btn folds, BB flats
Flop AhQh8c (517)
BB checks, Hero 125, BB calls
Turn AhQh8c 6h (767)
BB checks, Hero 275? BB calls
River AhQh8c 6hKd (1317)
BB checks, Hero ? I have about 770 left I think V has all combos of AK, 50% combos of trapped AA and all combos of KhKx that get there on the river. I would give him maybe 25% of combos of JTs and KhJh (not sure he flats pre).
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We jam hoping to fade the snap, unfortunately we got 3 second snapped by KhKx
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We jam hoping to fade the snap, unfortunately we got 3 second snapped by KhKx
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Tx for this interesting hand.
Can you give me the reasoning for the flop and turn bet sizing, and why the rvr jam? Obviously, OTR you thought you were good but what was in your mind for the 2 earlier streets? V having Kh makes sense for him to float since you bet smallish, but so sick. Poker is often nasty.
Did you pick V's brain why he took that line?
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We jam hoping to fade the snap, unfortunately we got 3 second snapped by KhKx
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Did the game break right after that?
And yes thanks for posting. The non-card factors are as important as the cards imo, and very clearly laid out, along with classic “what could he have to play this way” & “what could he think YOU have to play this way” questions.
Would you have if jammed straight out on river? Great read by him xc the turn.
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Did the game break right after that?
And yes thanks for posting. The non-card factors are as important as the cards imo, and very clearly laid out, along with classic “what could he have to play this way” & “what could he think YOU have to play this way” questions.
Would you have if jammed straight out on river? Great read by him xc the turn.
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Is it really a great read by V, cuz ott he's improved with the nutflush draw. Guy was floating otf and got lucky back after H got lucky hitting the flop.
The way V played, don't think he open jams the rvr, he was c/c'ing the whole way. There was a possible straight and flush out there. Seemed more like a crying call as 3 seconds was kinda long.
The V is described as a good reg, and he supposedly thinks H is a good reg. What is V calling with on the river that we beat? What would we be "bluff" or "semi-bluff" shoving? Are we trying to get V to fold AA or KK? (That's a joke.)
V is actually described as a “really good player” who normally plays much higher than your typical 2/5, FWIW.
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Tx for this interesting hand.
Can you give me the reasoning for the flop and turn bet sizing, and why the rvr jam? Obviously, OTR you thought you were good but what was in your mind for the 2 earlier streets? V having Kh makes sense for him to float since you bet smallish, but so sick. Poker is often nasty.
Did you pick V's brain why he took that line?
Flop is a 25% range bet on ace high boards in 4b pots, solver prefers even a 10% range bet.
With flush completing turn, i dont think we have many jams in our range, 33% bet is standard.
V played it perfect/standard so didn’t feel the need to pick his brain about it. My only regret in the hand is the preflop action.
It’s funny because i think im x/back non K rivers since i dont think AK would call me so there’s only AA and flushes and there’s only one combo of AQcc that would call that i beat.
Yes game did break 10 mins after when the 200$ fish busted.
Flop is a 25% range bet on ace high boards in 4b pots, solver prefers even a 10% range bet.
With flush completing turn, i dont think we have many jams in our range, 33% bet is standard.
V played it perfect/standard so didn’t feel the need to pick his brain about it. My only regret in the hand is the preflop action.
It’s funny because i think im x/back non K rivers since i dont think AK would call me so there’s only AA and flushes and there’s only one combo of AQcc that would call that i beat.
Yes
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Not sure if I understood your first sentence: did that mean you were ok with the bet sizing and someone suggested betting even smaller? In hindsight I was wrong thinking V had AA or else surely he would've donked or c/r the flop since it was wet, right? I wonder if V folds if you made it 2/3 pot cbet?
I dunno if I thought V played it perfectly. To me, it felt like your positions were close and he just got lucky on the rvr, i.e. kinda disregarded/didn't give much thought to the straight and flush draws.
I'm also confused about your checking back any non-K otr and presumably jamming anything else, wouldn't a K be a scare card and in his range since he called the 4bet? I guess you put V on exactly AQ.
Yes solver likes 10% pot size bet on this flop on 4bet pots.
As for the last part, for Non K rivers and (non heart obv) i expect to be good 90% of the time but only get called by worse 5% of the time. If its a K river i should be good 75% of the time and get called by worse 40% of the time since there’s more combos of AK that can call now.
Grunch:
PRE - could go either way with 4B or not with fish on BTN, but lean towards 4B/fold for value. Not sure about the size when this deep. Gut says it's a little too large for a 4B, but maybe it's fine.
FLOP - small c-bet seems standard in 4B pot. Wonder if we should go bigger when we unblock top pair on an ace high board. If V has AA we're just going broke. But then again, we don't want to fold out KK.
TURN - sort of seems like we can go larger to target KK with a heart. I might just jam here, if we're only going to have a half PSB left.
RIVER - yuck. I wouldn't expect him to have JT in a 4B pot. Not sure he calls with AQ. Does he even call with AK? I dunno. Think I just check back now.
The V is described as a good reg, and he supposedly thinks H is a good reg. What is V calling with on the river that we beat? What would we be "bluff" or "semi-bluff" shoving? Are we trying to get V to fold AA or KK? (That's a joke.)
V is actually described as a “really good player” who normally plays much higher than your typical 2/5, FWIW.
Actually, in the post title, he's considered a "good reg." FWIW.
