[LOW] $2/$5 Bomb Pot
So playing at a new spot while traveling. Table has been doing bomb pots for pretty much any reason though for some reason just single board NLHE instead of double board PLO.
I'm relatively new to the table so no definitive reads on villain. After this hand, I gathered he considers himself better than the table/quasi pro mentality but he pulled a few very questionable moves so could just be in his head.
$2/$5 NL 8 handed.
Hero in HJ has Ac 9c. Effective stack is $1,500.
Preflop: $25 bomb pot so $200 to the flop.
($200) Flop: 9h 8c 5h
Checks to V1 in LJ who bets $65. Hero calls. Everyone else folds.
($330) Turn: As
V1 bets $250. Hero calls.
($880) River: 7h
V1 jams for $1,160. Hero?
Given the bomb pot I didn't want to raise turn against an unknown hand and bloat the pot. He's clearly showing strength but this river should be better for me than him. I doubt he's worried about a better straight if he did have a hand like 67 and maybe he thinks I'd have raised nut flush draw/combo draw on the flop?
So if eight people see the flop in a splash pot, wouldn’t their hands tend to be much stronger than in an eight handed bomb pot?
I just don’t understand why we’re giving V a flopped straight or set here. My thought in either is “free money, how do I steal it”. If I jam KTo preflop in a splash and get 44 & A3s to fold, that’s huge value. If I lose, oh well, we’re in a casino. “It’s called gambling, you should try it some time.” - Amarillo Slim
A9 has to be ahead at least 90% of the time here. Why does H call the flop and then not love Ax on the turn? It’s literally the best card he could catch! And some are suggesting H fold the turn?
Where do people play tighter in bomb pots because I want to go there.
BTW this thread is prima facie proof that bomb & splash pot should be double board PLO. And it’s time for the results from OP.
I honestly don't understand what point you are making? In a bomb pot, they can have anything. Literally: any two cards. The straight/set combos in this hand are weak holdings, so you are contradicting yourself.
If it were a splash pot and they all got to limp in, yes, they could have the same weak range, but still weak, not strong. Seriously, what point are you trying to make? That 56 is a strong hand? That he can't have a set because it's a limped pot?
The only way a splash pot could have "stronger" hands is if someone raises pre, but then you don't usually have eight players going to the flop unless they are just gambling. And then they could have anything. LOL.
A9 has to be ahead at least 90% of the time here. Why does H call the flop and then not love Ax on the turn? It’s literally the best card he could catch! And some are suggesting H fold the turn?
We fold because we are behind 55, 88, 99, AA, and 56 -- not to mention some combo draws, there are tons of rivers we hate (like this one), and he bet 2/3 pot showing tons of strength.
BTW, the reason I play poker is because I'm not there to gamble. If that's your intent, by all means go for it.
I honestly don't understand what point you are making? In a bomb pot, they can have anything. Literally: any two cards. The straight/set combos in this hand are weak holdings (Ed: I assume you mean on the river), so you are contradicting yourself.
Yes, everyone has anything. And that anything includes 12 combos of T2o another 12 combos. of J3o ... etc. etc. etc.
Yes, people have the 7 combos. of sets on the flop and 16 combos. of the nuts but that is dwarfed by just the 110ish combos. of worse one pair hands.
Top pair top kicker is _very_ high in everyone's range on the flop, top two on the turn is so strong it's basically the nuts without reads.
Maybe people really are just x/f 92o (or even T9o) on the flop, and will bet small on flop and then x/f KK HU on the turn. Then, sure fold flop or turn but also I hope you are capable of working out a strat. to bluff everyone off these giant bomb pots when they don't have the nuts the other 99% of the time (would be very unshocked if LJ has that strat. and that's why he considers himself an amazing pro).
Once he bets $250 on the A turn, we should start wondering what in the world is going on. We have no reads, so we can't think, "Oh, this guys always tries to steal bomb pots, " or "This guy is a maniac and will do this w/ anything, " or even "This guy is a nit." We have nothing but a vulnerable hand. If you want to call the turn, fine, then go ahead and call the river. Heck, we should shove the turn.
W/o reads, I'll save my 300bb for more than a gamble.
Someone should start a Bomb/Splash Pot Strategy Containment Thread because we have obviously good experienced players itt with wildly divergent ideas on how to play them.
I do think we need to factor into V’s play that H is a tourist who just sat down and may have questioned why the bomb pot wasn’t DBPLO.
I don't understand V's 1/3 flop and 3/4 turn bets, what changed?
I'm also confused about the poster saying A9 is ahead 90% of the time, that runout is crazy wet and many draws made it. Top 2 isn't gonna cut it unless V is a maniac. I'm folding otr.
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I will say folding the turn is much better than calling, but in that case why not fold on the flop? It IS a very wet board that would hit a ton of hands
Spoiler
like Ac9c
Personally, I probably do fold the flop.
And I definitely gamble some, but not like this and for 300bb. He's not writing about bomb pots. LOL.
Personally, I probably do fold the flop.
And I definitely gamble some, but not like this and for 300bb. He's not writing about bomb pots. LOL.
First chapter in SS3.
Folding flop is fine esp if V is SB and H utg. But Ax on the turn HU is an autojam imo. What other card is H hoping for, 7/6c?
Flop bet = half the table checked, we have enough to bet and want folds for the giant pile of money in the middle (most of range for everybody has to fold for even this size, esp. the ones who haven't acted yet). Go small and see how many fold, and/or if anyone x/r for cheap.
Turn bet = lol, only one tourist fish to get through and he was heavily incentivized to raise flop with top set or the nuts, or even NFD, so go bigger now as he'll fold almost (or for some ITT all of) his entire range.
Ofc. it's possible V has something like Ah2h/A8/A7/A6/A5, where he's just kind of just betting his equity/hand on flop+turn.
I'm also confused about the poster saying A9 is ahead 90% of the time, that runout is crazy wet and many draws made it. Top 2 isn't gonna cut it unless V is a maniac. I'm folding otr.
I think 90% is a slight exaggeration, but as I said before go put betting ranges for V into something and compare vs. A9 on turn. We have 65% if V hardly bluffs and never value bets one pair on the turn.
I don't understand V's 1/3 flop and 3/4 turn bets, what changed?
I'm also confused about the poster saying A9 is ahead 90% of the time, that runout is crazy wet and many draws made it. Top 2 isn't gonna cut it unless V is a maniac. I'm folding otr.
I meant 90% favorite on the turn, probably exaggerated.
Just to close this out I did fold river. Didn't get a reveal. I was mainly wondering about my turn action but seems there is no consensus on which is the best play in this spot. Thanks all!
Am I the only one who wants to fold flop? There are not a lot of runouts we’re going to like, there are still a lot of players who could flat or raise flop, we could be drawing really thin etc.
As played I like just calling turn though shoving can’t be bad. I think we can get away from gross rivers like this, while possibly getting him to bluff some missed combo draws. We can also make a healthy river bet if he checks on a blank.
As played river is an obvious fold.
Am I the only one who wants to fold flop? There are not a lot of runouts we’re going to like, there are still a lot of players who could flat or raise flop, we could be drawing really thin etc.
As played I like just calling turn though shoving can’t be bad. I think we can get away from gross rivers like this, while possibly getting him to bluff some missed combo draws. We can also make a healthy river bet if he checks on a blank.
As played river is an obvious fold.
V's flop bet is too weak to not call esp IP. I'm worried about the turn sizing and I can't tell you how many of these spots I've been in where it looks like I've improved but I ran into some ridiculous flopped set or stronger. Ott is where I'd consider folding because we know V is probably going to go for it otr and we'd fold unless we hit our 4 outer.
