Not one, but TWO check raisers

StupidBanana, you act like a parasite.

You ask for help, calling people into the role of rescuer, but the help is of no use for you.

People being unable to help you, actually makes you feel more capable, along with you feeding from the attention and feeling something in your internal world of numbness.

You identify with victimhood to such an intense degree you can’t see clearly.

As a consequence for your actions, I will not talk to you for the rest of my life, and suggest admins to give you consequences as well since you chose this sub to feed on and waste people energy, so as the actually good people wanting to help do not get baited by people pretending to be good for deceptive purposes.

Top two minimum before I would even consider calling or raising.

Results:

Something to consider is that flop 3bets are always a bluff except when multiway, in which case they are usually accidental bluffs. Imagine a HU pot where someone cbet, you x/r and they 3bet. What hands would they 3bet with? If they had a nutted hand they wouldnt want to risk you folding and if they had a draw it's highly likely they just get it in bad if you call/jam. You'll sometimes see this where someone has top set on a wet board that they just want to kill the hand with but thats obviously just weak passive hearted fishy play. However what you WILL see is someone do this with a big draw just because they like to get it in with draws since *if they hit* they could win a big one! Obviously another big leak but on the opposite end of the spectrum. So in a nutshell when someone 3bets the flop they are either turning their hand into a bluff or quite frequently just bluffing with a draw thinking it looks super strong when in reality it looks super weak hence you can call wider than usual.

Now the only time this diverges is in multiway pots. At that point what usually happens is the guy with a set or a flopped flush doesnt want to get outdrawn so his hand is almost always super strong. In this case they are more or less valuebluffing and either get it in vs the same aforementioned range of punters or are drawing thin when their opponents show up with the only possible hands that can call a 3bet on the flop.

In this case if you were with either of these 2 asian dudes and 1 of them 3bet this flop I would snap with your hand. But multiway I still think it's a fold.

Seriously??? I'd suspect collusion in this instance, if it seems like these two know each other.

It's very likely not collusion, just degenerates gambling.
There's a lot more chance they are much more aware of their ranges than they are of yours, and esp. you are of theirs.

I've seen this a few times where two friends play at a table with each other and at least one of them doesn't care about the money ... they'll have wide ranges and you can be super EV by just not folding your good medium strength hands (like KQ here) ... the problem is you have to have a few showdowns of data that this is happening.
Also even with a good idea it's happening I'd be more likely to still fold here blocking KJ, but call AQ!c.

why would it be collusion? they put in 100 bb cumulatively vs an uncapped range (thats cbetting v large into 2) with reverse blockers lol. theyd literally just be torching money into the top of ip's range while wasting a ton of equity

Hit the nail on the head. They were friends and I was playing at a new casino.

can you elaborate what you mean by wasting a ton of equity? I get that they don't want to have JX and KX blockers probably because it blocks my natural bluffs but how is check/raising a draw wasting your equity?

bc you dont ever call vs this action lol. you are going to jam or fold. KJ will never see any more cards (if you jam) and j8cc takes a relatively high equity hand and chooses the absolute worst way for the $ to get in. if they were colluding they would choose actions where they realize all of their equity or do this to funnel you into putting more money into the hand when they have a good hand, not two mediocre draws. you have your ranges / strategy set up poorly here so you got smoked but think about what kind of range a (very) large bet into 2 people from the pfr on this board implies. it's just not that difficult for you to wait for the top of your range (strong nfd, 2p+) and have them absolutely die if they are putting in 13.5x pot when you're uncapped and at least representing a polar / strong range.

if you're unclear why 50 is not great with KQ here with any kind of regularity, it's because the hand is 3 ways so mdf gets split, and also you're facing a sb flat from what appeared to be a reasonable player (just so few combos in his range in general that when you start putting in large bets you're going to funnel him down to things that have you beat very quickly). i'd either play a smaller cbet size or just play the large size and play more polar.

would imagine your cbet frequency w this sizing into 2 should be something like ~30% (am making this # up) primarily built around Overpairs / 2p / good draws / straight draws with a club / some good Qx primarily w a BD and maybe a small smattering of random bd / blocker things you can bluff on the runouts when everything else hits. instead it seems like you're fairly depolarized here which is the wrong approach / size of pot for your actual hand (we don't really want to get all in, you block their most obvious call hands based on multiway / your sizing, very few runouts we're excited to keep betting or even bluff catch on) and also neutering your x back range

honestly v2 is a whale and not enough info presented about v1 yet. if he just called the 400 and it got x down or whatever maybe hes ok, if he jammed over the 400 is probably fish too

ok thanks makes sense, just have a hard time thinking about all that in live play lol

It seems like possible collusion in that neither V has a very strong hand, but when one check raises and the other 3B's, it's hard for hero to continue without top or middle set, whereas hero could continue wider against a single check raise.

V1 is open ended, but with the FD out there, not all his outs are clean. V2 especially doesn't have a strong enough hand to check-3B. These are hyper aggro lines.

I'd be interested to know the rest of the action after hero folds. Did they just check it down from there? I'd find that pretty suspicious, if both took hyper aggro lines on the flop, and then both decided to just give up on the turn, and neither stabbed on the river. I'd be less suspicious if they kept putting money in, trying to out-bluff each other.

Then again, if they were actively colluding, they could just go check-bet-fold on the turn, and hero wouldn't know what they had, so... I dunno. It still smells a little fishy to me, but I guess they could just be wild donkeys. Maybe it's a form of soft collusion, where they don't care if they pass money back and forth between them, so long as one of them ends up with hero's money.

i dont think it really makes any sense that they would collude like this when hero is uncapped. if idk one bet and hero just called and then you saw a check raise and a 3bet from janky hands its more conceivable they are just pushing him out of the pot, but here he opened preflop (will have 55, TT, QQ, QTss at full frequency, QTo probably more than he should, AKcc, ATcc, maybe a sliver of other Axcc / Txcc / KK / AA that decide to just not fold) and chose a polarized sizing and stacks are deep enough that there's no way they can commit stacks with poor equity and have that be a +ev proposition - they are just going to run into a nutted hand way too often and put in 1000+ poorly to win hero's 70$ lol.

realistically if they were colluding they would either wait for hero to have a weak / capped range and absolutely blast him out of the pot, or they would take a line that lets them realize all of their equity (both of them call). regretably both of those lines also make perfect / plausible sense for how people would normally play these spots in theory.

the other way i could see this being collusion is if you have the one guy with AJo torch into his teammate in a headsup pot (the 4b pot from the OP) but then actually play snug / nitty vs the rest of the table. again, that isn't what's happening here, v2 has commited himself with a relatively weak draw while hero will still have good hands at a decent frequency