Patrik Antonius in Hall of Fame
This happened yesterday, but I didn't see anything here about it. In some ways it is good it is one a year. He and Rast really deserved it. Mostly a cash game player. Beating top players HU in the day. Apparently beating the Big Game at Bellagio, which is important to the HOF with so many regs from that game HOF voters. He hasn't played the WSOP much, but has wins in high rollers.
Supposedly, Miami John Cernato was number 2 and Isai Scheinberg number 3 in the voting. They and Arieh also belong in.
I think Patrick's wife had some say in him slowing down a bit, assume they have a kid or two. It was speculated that he was backing Players, perhaps quite a few. Gotta think that Covid had a role in him staying low as well.
In a small sample on PGo (NGNF, HSP) I've thought him to be less of himself, if not a bit Nitty. However that could very well be a forced adjustment due to table dynamic and Players being less intimidated by 'big time' Pros via exposure and/or similar bankrolls.
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The only WSOP event I've played to date was in early June 2022, $1500 Limit Omaha H/L. I sat on Todd Brunson's immediate left for a few hours, and we joked around the entire time. Much of that time, I had no idea who he was--it'd been probably 15 years since I'd seen him on some poker telecast or another. Eventually, though, I put it together that the likeable dude I'd been joking around with must be Todd Brunson, as the steady stream of people inquiring about his father became impossible to ignore. Once I realized it was in fact Todd, I had a story I had to share with him. Sometime between my 19th and 21st birthdays, when I could legally poker in Ontario but not in New York State, I was involved in a tablewide dispute at a 5/5 game at Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls, Ontario. The topic of the dispute was: which hold'em hand had the most equity v AA. Everyone at the table seemed to be passionately defending a different suited connector, from 56 all the way up to JT. I wasn't backing down from my defense of 78, and one particularly opinionated tablemate felt just as strongly about T9. So after we agreed to a $500 sidebet on the issue, the guy said to me 'C'mon, let's take a walk. I know Todd Brunson. I'm going to call him, and he'll give us the answer.' (This was probably 2007 or so, when smartphones were in their infancy). I was skeptical, pointing out that it was 4 AM. Guy responded: 'It's only 1 AM Vegas time.' Sufficiently convinced, I accompanied the Brunson acquaintance for a quick stroll down the destitute man's version of the Strip that can be found in the Falls. Improbably, Todd answered the call. The overzealous T9 apologist posed the question. And Todd's vote went to...set-mining underpairs. He apparently was answering entirely on the basis of implied odds. Guy hung up and said, 'Well, that was no help.' We eventually found a casino worker with a computer/access to an equity calculator to settle the bet.
So in 2022, I started to tell this story to Todd, but once I'd uttered half of the first sentence, I realized it probably wasn't worth the effort. I ended up opting for a 'Some guy I was playing with called you on the phone back in the day to ask you a question. You actually answered.' Good times.
I call BS on the HOF until I see true icons of the game inducted: Bobby Hoff, Sklansky, Malmuth, Caro
I don't know how well Mike Caro has "stood the test of time." I haven't heard much about him since about 2008. Do either Sklansky or Malmuth play at high stakes? (I rather think that the good ol' boys who remain the core of the HOF voting might not be terribly fond of Malmuth; if I were part of that clique I wouldn't vote for him.)
I agree that Bobby Hoff is a good choice.
So in 2022, I started to tell this story to Todd, but once I'd uttered half of the first sentence, I realized it probably wasn't worth the effort. I ended up opting for a 'Some guy I was playing with called you on the phone back in the day to ask you a question. You actually answered.' Good times.
LOL I had pretty much the same thing happen when I encountered Gibby Haynes walking around The Palms parking lot before they played there in 2011.
sklanksy yes
malmOUTH no thats a given
For what exactly - playing nosebleeds?
Sklansky was playing like 80/160 or 200/400 mixed like 15 years ago. He was never a really high stakes player. I think he and maybe Caro deserve it for the books. Malmuth deserves it for the site and publisher more than some other non-players in the HOF. There are some issues and I don't think Sklansky and Malmuth are well liked by the voters.
The HOF criteria are explicit and clear: to be eligible, one must play at the highest stakes.
The HOF criteria are explicit and clear: to be eligible, one must play at the highest stakes.
There are some who clearly don't meet that, Moneymaker, McEvoy, Jack McClelland, Henry Orenstein, Linda Johnson, Barbara Enright. Eli Elezra played the highest stakes, but didn't beat them.
There aren't many that weren't winning high stakes players, which is probably partly why Sklansky and Caro aren't in for their books.
Maybe the Cincinnati Kid and Teddy KGB should be in there. They beat the highest stakes.
Yea someone like Sklansky should be in, and as a quasi non player so the stakes doesn’t matter. Although he used to play somewhat high for times
Why is Bill Hickok in? In my book you get points for not getting shot in back of head
I would think sklansky and Mason both deserve a spot. Their contributions outside of play count for something in my eyes, but I can see why people might disagree. I have no clue who's already in or what the criteria is. Antonius has to be a lock
All HOFs suck to varying degrees and one of the smartest decisions I ever made was no longer discussing or caring about them.
[SP] Caro, Sklansky & Malmuth all belong in as contributors, and all were/are winning players, the first two at least at limits higher than 99% of us will ever play, and 75-150 stud & 100-200 lowball were huge games in 1975 factoring in inflation. Andy Glazer (RIP) and the Scheinbergs also belong in. Highly doubt any of them ever will get in. [/SP]
Yea someone like Sklansky should be in, and as a quasi non player so the stakes doesn’t matter. Although he used to play somewhat high for times
Does the poker HOF have the ol moral clause? If so, I have a slight feeling that preying on a vulnerable woman a third your age in order to "help her" (as his defenders claim), just might be grounds for disqualification.
I think he takes this line with 77 and 55, but does he do it with 44 or 68hh? Haha, such a crazy river shove. How does he show up with T4?!
Yeah, I don't think Sklansky has been nominated for the HOF. He was playing pretty high stakes like in the 1980s and with his books he should be a good candidate. Maybe the issues Manteepower alluded to effected it.
Just an old school-know your opponent's range and tendencies play. Certainly very risky but Patrick plays tons of PLO and this is play is something that happens almost once every 2 orbits or so if the PF action works it's way out.
Granted he did Turn a flush draw, but that was just a Plan B along side the Plan A of using the 7 against this V while in position. GL
idk but i thought PA was way older tham 43, not that he even looks older but the mans been about since day one for me
