Widespread cheating at high stakes / pinhole cams on the felt
Listening to solve for why podcast today and got more details on the cheating Berkey had alluded to last week. Sounds like an organized cheating ring using pinhole cams in a variety of objects to pick up the cards as dealt (have to be in the one or two seat) have been at it for quite a while. Video is relayed externally (maybe even to a call center offshore?) and relayed to the player via an earpiece. Players appear to be whales making insane plays on the river.
Was not totally clear, but sounds like it was employed at a $50k wsop event this year, a Triton event, and several private high stakes games. Did not have time to listen to the entire podcast, but believe someone was arrested.
they can do all that but are still recording with a potato 🙂
Point is, "consulting their phone" needs to be clearly defined. Not to be nitpicking, but the grey areas matter because that is where the cheating will come from.
I agree it needs to be a very clear line of demarcation. If your phone leaves your pocket during a hand, your hand’s dead. This might mean you need to physically take your earbuds out if you don’t want to listen to music during a hand.
Getting a call in the middle of a hand is an unfortunate but exceptional circumstance. Unless someone conveniently receives a phone call every time they’re in a big pot (which would be obvious by the third time), I don’t think consistent enforcement is critical. I personally push the bumpers on the side of my phone through my pocket so I don’t have to take it out. Not sure you can guarantee everyone handles it that way.
I would tend to favour not allowing anything on the felt and a rule of no phone use when your involved in a hand. Cheats will always find a way but we should at least give them less opportunity.
Anyone notice many of the posts on the front page of NVG is about cheating and scamming?
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I think we're in perfect agreement. No reason for anything to be on the felt other than chips and cards.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, the post I was replying to said all of these things should be prohibited from the room altogether.
You can cheat easily with headphones in without ever even having a phone on your person, much less looking at it.
You can cheat easily with headphones in without ever even having a phone on your person, much less looking at it.
How about random headphone inspections? The floor snatches the headphone out in the middle of a hand and puts it into their ear to make sure you’re not getting intel from the windowless van out front.
Additionally, passive aggressive comments about your shitty taste in music/podcasts will be levied when warranted.
How about random headphone inspections? The floor snatches the headphone out in the middle of a hand and puts it into their ear to make sure you’re not getting intel from the windowless van out front.
Additionally, passive aggressive comments about your shitty taste in music/podcasts will be levied when warranted.
Discussed earlier in the thread that most good cheaters aren't using traditional headphones, they are
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I had seen this described in other threads and news articles but I had never seen someone showcasing it.
from one side read of the deck.
Ryan has been behind the scenes running the stream. A lot of the games carry on after the stream ends and he joins them. I don't think it's too farfetched he could have gained a large bankroll throughout the years.
Ryan is not particularly good at poker. He went from being a losing $5/$5 prop player to playing high stakes with virtually no improvement to his game.
Cheating in licensed establishments is one thing. It requires more logistics.
The amount of people who play as randos in higher stakes home games while also being totally naive to the trivially simple, "Available on Amazon.com" gimmick decks and other 'technologies' that make fleecing a home game too easy is a bit shocking, and that's gunna happen when there's $40K+ on the table.
Recently been playing with a players who’s banned from several casinos for cheating in poker. Guys a big VIP (at least it seems). So I’m reaching out to get some more info. If anyone could answer some of the QUs below it would be much appreciated:
Has there been any substance provided for the alleged call centre?
People saying they can know the order of deck mate 2 but I don’t think there’s any evidence of doing this in practice.
A lot of this could just be regs running bad against huge whales and thinking it’s cheated incorrectly?
EMP's going off before the cards are dealt are the only way to go. The tables can be lit wick and paraffin oil lamps
Recently been playing with a players whoÂ’s banned from several casinos for cheating in poker. Guys a big VIP (at least it seems). So IÂ’m reaching out to get some more info. If anyone could answer some of the QUs below it would be much appreciated:
Has there been any substance provided for the alleged call centre?
People saying they can know the order of deck mate 2 but I donÂ’t think thereÂ’s any evidence of doing this in practice.
A lot of this could just be regs running bad against huge whale
There is evidence that people can set the order of a deck mate 2 and indeed the machine is designed so that the machine can do this. If you play with someone that is so flagrant several casinos have banned them for cheating at poker and rather than get warned look for reasons to ignore it at some level you deserve to be cheated.
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