My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL
Hello everyone, I want to share with you my 20 days result with 50$ deposit on GGpoker
2NL was awful, after like 15k hand
As I'm observing live 1/3 and online 9max are still very different, ranges are clearly different, even NL2 9max has stronger ranges, also postflop play is different, online they fold more, value hands getting paid less etc so maybe i shouldn't go full blueline strategy when playing 9max online unlike live
Starting from 3 January to 27 im up total +2,5k$ playing live 1/3 (i was resting on Mondays and Tuesdays)
Online i haven't played much but still up +60$ playing NL2 9max to practice, slowly but steady will grind up the stakes
Live roll sits at 7,6k$ atm and online roll 560$
Why bother with online if you're crushing live?
Those live 1/3 games are hard to not crush because players rarely 3bet, i'm entering a lot of flops with better ranges and just outplaying them there but it has no future perspective, i mean i can make 2-3k$ per month but thats only enough for live expenses etc i can hardly buy a car or a house you know what i mean?
My goal is to reach high stakes and get enough money to afford those things... i can grind up live games to 5/5 or 5/10 but still it won't be enough and games will become more aggressive/hard but if i reach high stakes online with volume i can make a lot more money
Hi what was your graph at 25NL
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Those live 1/3 games are hard to not crush because players rarely 3bet, i'm entering a lot of flops with better ranges and just outplaying them there but it has no future perspective, i mean i can make 2-3k$ per month but thats only enough for live expenses etc i can hardly buy a car or a house you know what i mean?
My goal is to reach high stakes and get enough money to afford those things... i can grind up live games to 5/5 or 5/10 but still it won't be enough and games will become more aggress
$2-3k / month isn't bad where you live? How much did you make last year in online poker?
I thought you said there was a live game running and people were sitting with thousands on the table? If your bankroll were to support those swings, why could you not make some very decent money playing in a game where people are throwing around thousands of $?
Is it not also the same principle that as you move up stakes online that games become more aggressive / hard and then you're also dealing with players using RTA, bots and collusion.
$2-3k / month isn't bad where you live? How much did you make last year in online poker?
I thought you said there was a live game running and people were sitting with thousands on the table? If your bankroll were to support those swings, why could you not make some very decent money playing in a game where people are throwing around thousands of $?
Is it not also the same principle that as you move up stakes online that games become more aggressive / hard and then you're also dealing with player
I live in Georgia (not the state) there are many talented people from my country, UFC has 2 champions Merab Dvalishvili and Ilia Topuria, armwrestling has Levan Saginashvili
2-3k$ income here it's good but still you can't buy a house, maybe you can buy good used car if you save for a year lol
Last year i was playing mainly micros online with a purpose, to build a solid strategy, i wasn't looking at income, i had side income from small business
From this year i no longer have side income, my only income is poker now so i have to play live games
Basically poker is my job now, i go to poker club every evening (except Mondays and Tuesdays) and play there till 00:30AM, then i go home sleep, when i wake up daytime i play some online poker and evenings again i go to play live poker, that's my life right now.
1/3 games are great here, some people sitting with 1k+ stacks even at 1/3 yeah, myself i start with 500 which suits with my bankroll well right now, i can't do same thing with 5/5 games, i need to sit with 1k+ there and that will be very aggressive bankroll management
Still i need to grind my way up to play higher stakes live but as you know i played some 5/5 sessions already, game dynamic is different there, a winning 5/5 player if comes to 1/3 table probably he will become a loser if he not changes his strategy according to table dynamics, same goes 1/3 player if he moves to 5/5
So my future path will be not easy, ofc there can high stakes soft games somewhere full of loose passive players but first i need big bankroll and then i will start searching it but still in the same time i need to grind online to reach top there too
I remember i was playing live poker like 2 years ago too in that same poker club but to compare myself how i was playing back in the day it’s like huge huge progress, online poker really helped me to become better player
I don’t experience tilt lately, i try to avoid results oriented thinking, during this month i remember it was maybe 10 January i had one session where i lost 1.3k$ (yeah my bad i played 5/5) but i still went home 00:30AM (followed my schedule) without chasing lost money or something like that, my poker skills improved tremendously but i still feel like im missing ability to adapt to all type of table dynamics which I’ll improve in the future
Now i see same bad regulars who i played with in the same poker club 2 years ago, i don’t see they improved at all, i see regression, probably they don’t have time to work on themselves, they play all night and sleep daytime, miserable life…
I remember one regular he had a method when he felt tilt signs he would leave poker table for like 15 minutes but now after 2 years i see him again, watching him losing big pots his face was changing like something tragic happened to him, he forgot his old method to leave table for 15 minutes lol he lost like 2.5k$ on that day
I saw another regular too, 2 years ago he asked me to borrow him money to play but i said no, he was bad regular without bankroll management but he thought he was good, he was playing not bad but still he was lacking some poker skills and bankroll management, he was complaining about me, how i was winning like every session and he wasn’t, after 2 years he still haven’t forgot about me and said that he wanted to win some money from me lol but i saw like same picture 1:1 lol he was still losing, lost his stack, his face changes, his ears dropped, he borrowed money from someone again to play and still lost to 0 lol i mean these regulars never change
From Sundays session I'm still thinking about 2 hands vs one regular
First hand i was on a flush draw with 98hh and raised turn, he folded, i showed bluff
Second hand i 3betted him in position with AQo and flopped top two pair on AQ9 board, i followed with like half pot cbet, he called, i checked back turn and he river bets like 75% pot, i just called and he hesitates to show his hand, so i didn't wait and showed my hand because i was pretty sure i was ahead, he mucked
VS that regular maybe i could win his entire stack if he had something, because with first hand i set him up for a disaster as i showed him bluff, so if i raise-jammed river he maybe could've found a call if he had something or he was bluffing not sure but i prefer not to stack off with top two pairs usually, because if i 3 barrel with top two and a regular calls probably he will have a set or better
I saw a good regular was playing super aggro with top two pairs, going for stack offs, maybe thats better for live games, not sure, i usually prefer to play it more slowly to induce bluffs but maybe he's having success stacking off top pairs vs his top twos because in live games players tend to stack off more lightly
When we master basic fundamentals, ranges etc after that i believe most important is to understand table dynamics and to profile players
I came with my own method and terminology to determine table dynamics, i can think of it like the weather of a table and the weather is determined by information below:
1. The rate how often 3bet occurs
- LOW
- MEDIUM
- HIGH
2. The rate our value hands getting paid postflop
- LOW
- MEDIUM
- HIGH
3. Number of players entering flop on average
- LOW
- MEDIUM
- HIGH
4. Stack depths on average
- SHORT
- MEDIUM
- DEEP
So to take standard live 1/3 table as an example we’ll have: 1. LOW 2. HIGH 3 HIGH 4. DEEP
This is perfect table, approaching such tables with right strategy i believe 15BB per hour winrate is possible, which is like 45BB winrate per 100 hand if we convert it in online terms
As soon as measurement changes, table dynamics can change dramatically, lets say if 3bet occur rate is MEDIUM and the rate our value hands getting paid postflop is LOW which is 9max micros online mostly, it needs totally different approach but still even with perfect approach we can’t reach as high winrate as live 1/3 for simple reason because postflop our value hands not getting paid enough
I more or less mastered strategy how to crush this live 1/3 games but i need to master like all type of table dynamics to completely become master of this game, after that profiling players will be like cherry on the top, thats also important, for example player who never 3bets with AK, i mean you saw him just flat calling with it and suddenly you received 3bet from him, you’re holding QQ, i can assure you, you’re safe to fold it because most likely you’re up against KK or AA, thats what a call profiling players, another example: you see a player never raises postflop but suddenly he raised you, you’re holding TPTK what you do? I think you should snap fold because probably he has two pair in worst case, a set more likely
Live poker and high stakes online poker has one thing in common you see same faces most of the time, which allows you to profile players so i believe if i master all the ideas i wrote above i can become complete master of this game and with proper bankroll i can play any limits anywhere but its long way to go
I'm staying at home till Friday i guess, catch a cold again, it's cold outside when i come out of poker club every night and i was ordering chicken panini sandwich + pistacho cheesecake like everyday, that cheesecake is great but comes cold often, also ate an ace cream on top of that, shouldn't have done that lol
Now chilling at home, some NL2 therapy
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Enjoy the thread,
Regardless river misclick got to say don't understand flop pretty much min raise 3 way, just price everything in?
I believe my online grind will be exciting, i really want to move up stakes as fast as i can but i have a rule to never deposit money so i need to use current online bankroll, also i have live poker as a job so ill do online grind slowly but steadily
I feel like my skill level is at peak right now, this journey will be full of victories, my plan online is to play 9max ante games for now till i reach NL200
You don't like to check-raise?
As i wrote i was at home from Monday to Thursday, recovered from cold, well i spent almost 400$ by ordering food etc damn i should learn to save more
Fridays live session was not bad up +550$ but at one point i was up 800$ but they decided to change 1/3 into 5/5 and added one hand of PLO per cycle, well i could win more but bleeded out some money like everyone calls 10$ in PLO and someone says “Bank” preflop which is like 80$ and 2 player calls, i call too but didn’t connect with the flop i had nice hand like AJTT, there was also some more hands i could win a lot if i connected with the flop
Here I'm folding KK, let me share my thinking process with you
Knowing the fact that at micros 4bets are very strong, villain's range imo consists with 4 hands here: AK AA QQ or maybe JJ, after flop action i excluded AK and as J came JJ also beats me now, so only hand I'm beating is QQ here, considering villains aggressive river shove here more likely i was up against AA's, there is also possibility villain played QQ this way
There is also very small chance that villain called flop raise with AK and bluffed river but considering i have no info on the player i played vs him like i would play vs a standard micro nit
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