In other news
In the current news climate we see that some figures and events tend to dominate the front-pages heavily. Still, there are important, interesting or just plain weird things happening out there and a group of people can find these better than one.
I thought I would test with a thread for linking general news articles about "other news" and discussion. Perhaps it goes into the abyss that is page 2 and beyond, but it is worth a try.
Some guidelines:
- Try to find the "clean link", so that links to the news site directly and not a social media site. Avoid "amp-links" (google).
- Write some cliff notes on what it is about, especially if it is a video.
- It's not an excuse to make outlandish claims via proxy or link extremist content.
- If it's an editorial or opinion piece, it is polite to mark it as such.
- Note the language if it is not in English.
- There is no demand that such things be posted here, if you think a piece merits its own thread, then make one.
It's not because of how they voted, that has causation backwards. Their voting differently is a symptom of why you never got along in the first place.
I guess by not voting I'm able to help preserve my relationships in that case and if I had to disown and defriend everyone who supports Republicans and Democrats I wouldn't have many people left.
Yeah. If someone is always in your face ranting about politics and saying things that really bother you and you ask them to stop repeatedly, that's one thing.
To cut off friends and family merely because you know they voted in a way you disapprove of is cult behavior. It's also goofy coming from centrist libs who are totally unperturbed by like, the Iraq war, or Bill Clinton's sex crimes, but are mad because of Trump's sex crimes.
As I said, you guys have the causation backwards.
It's not because of how they voted, that would have causation backwards. In the scenario presented, their voting differently is a symptom of why you never got along in the first place.
Sure, I can see the correlation between political beliefs and behavior, but that's not what was being argued in the news clip.
Sure, I can see the correlation between political beliefs and behavior, but that's not what was being argued in the news clip.
I didn't watch the news clip, I only looked at the title and made a quip about it. I was responding to your post in general. Apologies for the ambiguity if it appeared I was referring to the clip, I was not.
And as for everyone that family should override everything, would you still feel the same way about a family member who was an open, unapologetic Neo Nazi? If not, then our disagreement is one of degree, not of kind.
if you don't accept that your family can be composed of some shitty people yet blood is always more important than everything else, you are the shitty person, at least in many moral systems.
family always comes before the country for people of good morals. so no matter how bad the ideas of a family member can be about how the country should be led, you don't cut them of for that. you don't if they are heinous criminals!
it's different for friends which you can choose.
So thx for proving it against …
You are for freedom but only for freedom you agree with so you are not a true libertarian ….
Exactly .
Freedom that benefits his value only is acceptable for him.
True freedom ….
And it’s not the first time Im pointing it to him on different issues .
What can I tell you , for the right , freedom to choose ( abortion?) is a hard concept to grasp on many levels for them when it’s not fitting what they hold dear to their hearts .
And as for everyone that family should override everything, would you still feel the same way about a family member who was an open, unapologetic Neo Nazi? If not, then our disagreement is one of degree, not of kind.
It's definitely a fair point and I wouldn't argue that family should override everything.
In this situation though we're talking about half the country. If neonazis were pulling 50% of the vote I wouldn't be disowning people I'd be in South America.
And as for everyone that family should override everything, would you still feel the same way about a family member who was an open, unapologetic Neo Nazi? If not, then our disagreement is one of degree, not of kind.
Remember how previously conservatism was ready to reject someone from the family because being gay , being black or being pregnant without being marry ?
Yup they fight for freedom allright and family above all ….except when they don’t like it .
Remember how previously conservatism was ready to reject someone from the family because being gay , being black or being pregnant without being marry ?
Yup they fight for freedom allright and family above all ….except when they don’t like it .
That hadn't even occurred to me, great point.
Well, I don't' think they rejected anyone in their blood family for being black lol - maybe for being with someone who is black.
And as for everyone that family should override everything, would you still feel the same way about a family member who was an open, unapologetic Neo Nazi? If not, then our disagreement is one of degree, not of kind.
If my family was having a Thanksgiving get-together with parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc., and one of my cousins was some edgy Nazi punk, I'd still show up. Why? Because his mother still loves him, for obvious reasons, and wanted him to be there. And I wouldn't want to let her and everyone else down because her son is a dolt.
Years ago, someone married into my family, and that person's dad was super racist. He was "from a different time," and while he didn't make a point to talk about race, he did say some crazy stuff every now and then. We just glanced at each other and mostly ignored it. We weren't about to change his mind, but we also didn't want to ruin the holidays by arguing with gramps.
I can understand a situation where, let's say, a family member came out as gay, and would have to deal with others criticizing them. Even then, if you can take the heat, stay in the kitchen.
If my family was having a Thanksgiving get-together with parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc., and one of my cousins was some edgy Nazi punk, I'd still show up. Why? Because his mother still loves him, for obvious reasons, and wanted him to be there. And I wouldn't want to let her and everyone else down because her son is a dolt.
Years ago, someone married into my family, and that person's dad was super racist. He was "from a different time," and while he didn't make a point to tal
I mean, if your default position is "I love these people and like spending time with them and want to make it work", then sure. If your default position is "spending time with these people is a chore", then not so much. I'm just saying different people have different attitudes to family, and it's entirely plausible for voting Trump to be the thing to push someone over the edge to cut them off.
I mean, if your default position is "I love these people and like spending time with them and want to make it work", then sure. If your default position is "spending time with these people is a chore", then not so much. I'm just saying different people have different attitudes to family, and it's entirely plausible that voting Trump to be the thing to push someone over the edge to cut them off.
It's a pretty low bar.
Yes, of course. As I say, symptom, not cause. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to someone who said "I hold my nose and support him because [taxes, Israel, etc. - some specific single issue]" than someone who is knee deep into the whole MAGA cult & conspiracy bullshit.
The problem comes when people say someone else is wrong to keep in contact with people because of their political views (and I think D2 is largely correct that it's more about behavior correlated with those views when we decide to do it ourselves)
Many who cut off close family will regret it in the future. Those who encourage them to do it should probably stfu
Let's get back to the terrible advice given by the psychiatrist and its implications.
if you don't accept that your family can be composed of some shitty people yet blood is always more important than everything else, you are the shitty person, at least in many moral systems.
family always comes before the country for people of good morals. so no matter how bad the ideas of a family member can be about how the country should be led, you don't cut them of for that. you don't if they are heinous criminals!
it's different for friends which you can choose.
dude wtf.
what the hell is good morals?
Is there a manual somewhere?
From someone who shows zero empathy towards his kind, I find the phrasing good morals pretty funny.
Personnally I have close to no contacts with my family and they aren't more valuables than my friends, which I actually chose.
dude wtf.
what the hell is good morals?
Is there a manual somewhere?
From someone who shows zero empathy towards his kind, I find the phrasing good morals pretty funny.
Personnally I have close to no contacts with my family and they aren't more valuables than my friends, which I actually chose.
"what is good morals" -> morals i agree with. All the empathy i fail to show toward random people i focus on the few people i care about.
And you work under the same assumption. You define people has having bad morals if you don't agree with them.
I am not surprised at all as a real leftist you hate your family. Which is kind athe claims zers started with. Not sure which way the causation goes though, it might be the case that people with failed families become leftists more than the opposite.
For sure though leftists work hard to dismantle the family and the morals i described, because the weaker the family is, the more the demand for the state to fill it's role (and so leftists power in society) grows.
"what is good morals" -> morals i agree with. All the empathy i fail to show toward random people i focus on the few people i care about.
And you work under the same assumption. You define people has having bad morals if you don't agree with them.
I am not surprised at all as a real leftist you hate your family. Which is kind athe claims zers started with. Not sure which way the causation goes though, it might be the case that people with failed families become leftists more than the opposite.
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Carry on torturing your definition of "leftism" until it is literally specifically a list of all the things you personally dislike or disagree with. Sounds like it gives your life meaning to stand against "leftism" in all its forms and incarnations. Not particularly helpful or instructive for discussion with the rest of us, though.
Carry on torturing your definition of "leftism" until it is literally specifically a list of all the things you personally dislike or disagree with. Sounds like it gives your life meaning to stand against "leftism" in all its forms and incarnations. Not particularly helpful or instructive for discussion with the rest of us, though.
Man the core critique from the right of the left being anti family isn't a weird interpretation by me, it's a staple of political conversation since more than 100 years ago.
It was discussed when no fault divorce was legalized for example. When social security and other provisions linked to old age were introduced. And so on and on.
The state literally took more and more roles that were historically familial roles, under leftist pulsions.
"what is good morals" -> morals i agree with. All the empathy i fail to show toward random people i focus on the few people i care about.
And you work under the same assumption. You define people has having bad morals if you don't agree with them.
I am not surprised at all as a real leftist you hate your family. Which is kind athe claims zers started with. Not sure which way the causation goes though, it might be the case that people with failed families become leftists more than the opposite.
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Sometimes I wonder if you are a bot, like a bad version of chatGPT that has to insert some but leftist tirade in each of it's posts.
This is very weird and only contribute with each iteration to erode your credibility (which you have none).
Also, how did you come up to categorize me as a real leftist?
Man the core critique from the right of the left being anti family isn't a weird interpretation by me, it's a staple of political conversation since more than 100 years ago.
It was discussed when no fault divorce was legalized for example. When social security and other provisions linked to old age were introduced. And so on and on.
The state literally took more and more roles that were historically familial roles, under leftist pulsions.
If I were to start shoehorning every single thing I think wrong is politics and the world today into "this is core MAGA", "MAGA did this", "this is MAGA's fault", "some conservative 100 years ago said this so it's MAGA", would you even bother reading my posts?
