2024 ELECTION THREAD

it was kind of funny in 2016 when online libs were saying bawitdaba, da bang, da dang diggy diggy diggy, said the boogie, said up jump the boogie

Can confirm, there are tons of "accelerationist" dingbats out there in the post-left online world.

ok, if there are so many then surely yall can provide some evidence of a few

right but by definition those are not "progressives".

and most of the people disheartened and disaffected by the genocidal Democratic party are not strategically voting (or not voting) in the hopes to accelerate the demise of the USA. they just dont support the Dems. this is something that is extremely hard for liberals to understand.

Victor if the democratic party abandons Israel, the right will win every time anyway because of the money and clout people in favor of Israel provide.

Thank you guys anyway to put the democratic party between an anvil and the hammer, whatever they do they lose votes. That's a net positive for humanity which needs republicans to win (not POTUS, but congress mainly).

Trifectas are still bad (too much power even to the good guys, is risky), but the american republican party if the only normal rightwing party left in the west basically, if it dies, the west dies with it in the arms of Marx and it's followers.

Your help is appreciated, really

Wdym, there are plenty of cultures with different views of gender. This is just a lie that only until 20 years ago people were stuck in rigid gender roles of man or woman.

I also think that not every is trans in the same way, there are even very conservative trans people like Blaire White. The gender abolitionism stuff is far left, but just not wanting people to be beaten and killed for being trans is more than just a “live your life how you want” thing.

There’s two things going on here. First there is Trump, who really doesn’t give a **** about anything except getting into power. So he will pander and cynically manipulate people into voting for him. Then there is the party writ large, where there are people that are white identitarians, Christian nationalists, and fascists that identify in Trump a strong man that will be the king.

In that sense it’s way different from neoconservatives or romney moderates, who cared more about their grand vision for America at the top of the world than they do about their demagogues. Trump is a demagogue and so people can identify in him all manners of authoritarian visions, which just wasn’t possible under Bush. The fact that they constantly contest the results of elections would have been unheard of 20 years ago.

The truth is that Trump is incompetent so his ability to actually enact his right-wing vision was limited in his first term.

brother, Bush literally stole the election

there are no cultures where "men can get pregnant" that i know of, do you know any checkraise?

And "rigid gender roles of man and woman" has nothing to do with my claim.

My claim is that anyone who says, unironically, that women can have a penis, is to the far left of the most leftist congressperson in 1998.

And that disqualifies *any other opinion that person might have on any other topic*

A lot of absolutely not radical trans people exist but they don't claim women can have a penis. They claim some men want to live as women, are still men, and should be respected for their choice to live as women. Which is already radical vs year 2000, but far less so than people claiming women have penises.

But go on and claim that saying "men can get pregnant, women can have a dick" wasn't radical (to the point of "what the actual **** is this person saying, is he on heavy drugs") in year 2000.

Here is a self proclaimed progressive and former Bernie Sanders campaign manger telling Noam Chomsky that many progressives feel it’s better to just let trump win than support democrats.

The problem with people like you is it takes 0 effort or intelligence to post as you do but actual effort to refute your agressive nonsense.

presumably she says that at some point in the linked 50 minute video?

wow "asking" if 'let' became a whole new thing, thats wild

and when is the video from?

Yes they want to push democrats to the left in future elections, their votes aren't for granted.

It's the absolutely normal way to play repeated games btw. They have no other way to significantly influence policy. If they vote democrat anyway , democrats will keep doing too much stuff they deeply hate, so they can't vote them currently.

They can show them that democrats can only win with their support so they actually have a BENEFIT if trump wins. So next time (they hope), democrats can move left.

Actual rightwing people don't think like that. The main reason to vote is to piss off the people they hate in society (all leftists and many centrists). So no matter if Trump isn't perfect for them, given leftists hate him, that's more than enough to vote for him no matter what he ends up doing.

Republicans fall in line, like good soldiers against the enemy

Alas figuring out when YouTube videos were uploaded is one of the great unsolved problems of computer science along with P<> NP

Ok? And in my view advocating for isolationism and extreme tariffs would have made you be looked at like a psychopath in 1998. Criticizing Israel’s influence on our politics would have had you be called an antisemite. Possibly even gay marriage was considered some radical opinion. I don’t really care what people thought was crazy in 1998 tbh.

I will say though that to your point it might be more accurate to say that the right is more dangerous today than they were 26 years ago, rather than saying that they are more right wing.

Also not taking the bait on trans issues as I don’t consider that a far left position like I said. Gender abolitionism is far left but I don’t think you’ll see any of that from Democrats. And I think the excesses of gender self-ID are correcting nicely. I believe you saw a lot of gender exploration during covid among impressionable young females and now most of them have dropped the they/them or she/they and are back to their assigned gender at birth.

Perhaps careful analysis of the contrast and saturation can get us to within a decade range, at least. I can usually tell 80s movies apart from 90s movies from that.

In other words everyone is trying to own the libs and we’re just trying to actually get stuff done. Now if only we could shed the insufferable part of liberal circles that thinks that every war is the Iraq war, that would be awesome.

What's "she/they"? If we're self-identifying grammatical rules now, this is definitely the time for an intervention. I don't really care what anyone identifies as, but it doesn't give them carte blanche to butcher the language.

Lol

President Bill Clinton's willingness to start a transatlantic trade war over bananas is proving to be anything but wise. On March 3, the President imposed duties of 100 percent on $520 million worth of popular European products, such as Waterford crystal and Italian pecorino cheese. The duties are supposed to punish the European Union (EU) for disregarding a 1997 World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling that it change its preferential policy favoring banana exports from countries in Africa, the Caribbean, and the Pacific.

https://www.heritage.org/report/the-high-cost-clintons-trade-war-the-european-union

The Heritage Foundation

The High Cost of Clinton's Trade War with the European Union

So ok "you don't care about what people thought was crazy in 1998", except what i wrote was in response to the absoliutely nuts take by rick: which was that republicans moved to the far right while democrats stayed in the same place.

Literally the opposite is true, and that was my claim. Democrats moved to the far left, so much that it's incredible even to write it down, while republicans are run of the mill democrats these days on most topics.

Yes even not opposing gay marriage as an abomination (which both parties did for more than 200 years of US history) is a move to the far left. Doesn't matter if you, or many others, agree. Still is a move to the FAR left, to extreme radicalism compared to a few decades ago.

So any claim that politics today are to the right of 20-30-40 years ago is an OBJECTIVE LIE. A lie used to claim republicans today are crazy. While they objectively aren't, it's democrats claiming women have dicks who are radicals compared to every other political party in western society history until very recently.

I’m not attacking trans people, I’m attacking cis women that think adding nonstandard pronouns to their bio makes them an oppressed class fwiw. Most of the time they are revolution obsessed socialists and anarchists as well so don’t feel too bad.

If you shed them completly, you can't win presidential elections. There isn't a majority of center-left voters in the USA. You need the radicals or you lose every single time. And the DNC knows this.

It just hopes this time that radicals hate Trump enough to vote dem anyway.

How can you know they are "cis" (=non trans) if they put unusual pronouns out? do you understand the claims of gender theory? according to the left and the rules of this forum, anyone at anytime can claim to be whatever gender he wants without changing absolutely anything in his life, and that claim is to be taken literally and you are a moral monster (and banned from this forum) if you even suggest that identity isn't their true identity.

Do you understand what the people in your coalition believe and fight for?

I am taking issue with the fact that both "she" and "they" are subject pronouns. In the nominative declension, if you like. "Her" and "them" are object pronouns. In the accusative declension, if you like. So I get what "she/her" means, and I get what "they/them" means, but "she/they" sounds like an abomination, and if it's supposed to be "she/them", that doesn't even make sense to me logically.

I wouldn't use the term "lol", primarily because I'm not an angsty 14-year old, but other than that I would agree that it would be unfair to call it a shift to the right.

It has however shifted to batshit insane, and current ideological leader of the self-professed "law and order"-party is a criminal fraud, rapist and incompetent serial liar whose best quality as president was that he was often not present. And while he enjoys dinners with literal Nazi influencers and holocaust d..., GOP lumniaries in congress are busy talking about Jewish space lasers and torpedoing their own border bills.

So where the progressive liberal should go if they can’t go republicans and can’t go democrats ?
Sometimes you are just stuck with a bad hand and you have play it.
Doesn’t mean the next hand/cycle will be the same.

You can decide not playing but you still will lose the money anyway .
Mind as well cut loses to a minimum by choosing the lesser evil and presently there is a lesser evil .

Then u complain how people encapsulated you an authoritarian/ fascist .

Not all left agree like not all right are fascist .
Get the point ?