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British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

01 June 2019 at 06:29 AM
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by jalfrezi

Political violence is unacceptable but I want the state, a political body, to execute dissenters, political people.

Welcome or should I say Willkommen to Luciomtopia


by jalfrezi

I'm neither 10 nor dishonest like you, someone who has previously posted about how people who protest against the current government should be put to death.

That, my toxic little Italian fart, is political violence.

I never asked to use lethal violence against protestors.

I did say that lethal violence should be used to quell riots (doesn't matter if politically motivated or not).


by Luciom

Any form of violence waged for political purposes by organized people should be treated as terrorism yes.but even if you disagree with that, unless you want to accept all violence against property, damaging military equipment has to be treated harshly than most other forms of violence against property.maybe you don't like the word , call it criminal attempt at subversion, chang

A lot of words but it’s still not terrorism.


by Pablito

A lot of words but it’s still not terrorism.

legally in this moment, in the UK it actually is.


by Luciom

legally in this moment, in the UK it actually is.

And you can get what, 13 years for calling someone a **** on facebook? Yeah not taking that joke of a country seriously.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...

--This is Daily Mail, so who knows how true this is. But given the perception of Britain as an uncompetitive social welfare state, it is a little amusing that they are arguing that Britain is outcompeting a US red state, because they offer lower salaries and dont have to offer any private health insurance.

--And this article doesn't bring it up. But given how multinational movie production is; Trump tariffs and concern about ICE arrests probably isn't helping Georgia compete either.


by 57 On Red

That is not unlikely. And the Roman Empire practised slavery and it included North Africa, where the ancient slave trade did involve sub-Saharan West Africans.

Yeah. It would be one thing if the skeletons were 15,000 years old. But given they are less than 1500 years old, it seems the article is really reaching trying to argue this could be part of some previously undocumented migration, as opposed to just a few African individuals that were part of an already well understood and documented migration/invasion.


We can clearly see that the only supporters of this prohibition by labour are the center right to far right.

Okay but dont then cry about people on the left not voting for you. We cant support you.


by Pablito

And you can get what, 13 years for calling someone a **** on facebook? Yeah not taking that joke of a country seriously.

You're talking nonsense again, a typical far right tactic to try to portray admittedly bad laws as even worse.

No one is being prosecuted for calling someone a ****, you c u n t.



by jalfrezi

You're talking nonsense again, a typical far right tactic to try to portray admittedly bad laws as even worse.

No one is being prosecuted for calling someone a ****, you c u n t.

I was exaggerating you simple c u n t. I’m sure even you are capable of understanding that.


Learn to write better if you don't want your sarcasm taken literally.

April 2025 account - I doubt anyone here knows who you are.


by jalfrezi

Learn to write better if you don't want your sarcasm taken literally.

April 2025 account - I doubt anyone here knows who you are.

I'll spell it out for you next time. You clearly need it.


Or just write within your capability to express yourself and when you do overreach, accept your share of the blame for misunderstandings.


Zahra has come out with some interesting takes on what went wrong with Corbyn’s campaign.


Thread needs moar gratuitous use to the c-word.


by jalfrezi

Zahra has come out with some interesting takes on what went wrong with Corbyn’s campaign.

Totally agree on brexit obviously which imo made defeat inevitable. Had to have a strong position on it because it was the overwhelmingly key issue at the elction and there simply there wasn't one.

Good to see her saying we have to call out the ****s pretending to be journalists/news. I think I mentioned once or twice that JC needed to tell them to **** off.

But the fact that brexit eneded Labours chances does mean we shouldn't overplay other issues. They ahd got to JC who had become an issue but nothign was going to alter the fact of a crushing defeat given the brexit situation. That's over it's time to get back to the policies and principles which remain very popular.


by jalfrezi

Zahra has come out with some interesting takes on what went wrong with CorbynÂ’s campaign.

Ambition red in tooth and claw, if you read the interview with the New Left Review. And she says she doesn't want to be merely 'electoralist'. If old Tom Mosley (he was socially known as Tom, and he also left Labour for reasons of ambition) had been a woman, and Muslim...

I'd tend to agree with her that the IHRA 'definition' of antisemitism has a Zionist (American-inspired) slant, but to tick Jeremy Corbyn of all people off for being insufficiently violently antisemitic is quite the bold move. It puts Corbyn, who is amicable till crossed, and quite thin-skinned, on the spot rather.

And to promote yourself as 'anti-Zionist', in a grubby and nakedly communalist attempt to catch the British Pakistani Muslim vote, bringing the subcontinent's toxic and frequently deadly communalist politics over here, is quite a bold move as well. To be non-Zionist, that is, not subscribing to Israel's ethno-nationalist founding ideology, is one thing. The late and esteemed Rabbi Pinter of Stoke Newington was non-Zionist, because he was a true Orthodox and did not believe the people should return to the Promised Land until the Messiah comes. But to boast of 'anti-Zionism' is to wish for the impossible erasure of an existing, well-funded and well-armed state, and to try and found a British political party on such a foolish and divisive foreign-policy agenda is just cranky.


You describe it as “a grubby and nakedly communalist attempt to catch the British Pakistani Muslim vote” but don’t pause to consider that perhaps it’s a deeply held belief that many of us share who aren’t communists and aren’t bothered about which demographics it appeals to.

You’re ascribing centrist and right wing cynical tactics worthy of your heroes Blair and Mandelson to someone who is clearly neither centrist or right wing.


He’s right of course. Imagine the likes of Elrazor on the far right and how they’d react if this had been group of black kids.


by jalfrezi

You describe it as “a grubby and nakedly communalist attempt to catch the British Pakistani Muslim vote” but don’t pause to consider that perhaps it’s a deeply held belief that many of us share who aren’t communists and aren’t bothered about which demographics it appeals to. You’re ascribing centrist and right wing cynical tactics worthy of your heroes Blair and Mandelson to so

well you are a communist though


by Luciom

well you are a communist though

More total shitt from you.


by 57 On Red

Ambition red in tooth and claw, if you read the interview with the New Left Review. And she says she doesn't want to be merely 'electoralist'. If old Tom Mosley (he was socially known as Tom, and he also left Labour for reasons of ambition) had been a woman, and Muslim...I'd tend to agree with her that the IHRA 'definition' of antisemitism has a Zionist (American-inspired) slan

That would be a more convincing 'rant' if they didn't already have pretty much all that vote.

It isn't trying to grab votes, it's a consequence of the incredible damage netanyahu has done to israel.


by chezlaw

it's a consequence of the incredible damage netanyahu has done to israel.

You're being very naïve if you think these are just opinions formed over the last few month rather than long-standing belief - do you think if Israel had a centre-left leader she would change her opinion?


That's not the point at all.

As always it's not about one person. The general attitude towards Israel has dramatically shifted. Surely no-one disagrees with that fact.

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