British Politics

British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

01 June 2019 at 06:29 AM
Reply...

6275 Replies


Earlier posts are available on our legacy forum HERE

by jalfrezi

No, it's not bad grammar on your part because (and it's quite embarrassing that this has to be pointed out to you) grammar is concerned with the structure of a language as in the silly picture you posted, not the hopeless misspelling of words by someone who hasn't a clue what he's talking about most of the time.

You're just not very bright and I'd stop digging now if I were you.

I was referring to your attitude towards Jews, but if you want to be pedantic, then it's a actually a vocabulary error not a spelling error so you can't even tap in this simplest of goals without tripping over your own stupidity.


You’re hopeless. You intended to use the word “Semitic” but thought it was spelled “sematic” (which is a word but not the one you intended) because your English is poor.

You should stop digging: everyone in the vicinity is beginning to notice the bulldozers.


by 57 On Red

Nationalisation of water is likely to cost north of £90,000,000,000, energy the same again. Comparison with Manchester's bus services is daft. If he doesn't present a concrete plan for nationalisation, and how he's going to finance and manage it (however desirable it might be in theory, on a certain view), then he's taking people for mugs.

Yes it looks like a really big number when you type it as a numeric but remember when a one off 50 billion compensation payment to the EU for Brexit wasn’t a consideration?


The 90 billion figure is inflated to give politicians an excuse for not doing it. The true value is closer to half that, as it should be based on market value of the water companies, not their regulatory capital value.


I wonder if they're worth anything much. Without a bailout thames water is probably bankrupt. I wonder about the others especially if the regulatory rules are remotely enforced. Like the railways it doesn't have to all be done in one go

There's still a huge cost of taking them over and running them but against that is massive income.


Indeed, though they have some assets etc.

In law the government only needs to pay a “fair value”, not market value. The bid for Thames Water was only four billion, not the RCV of 21 billion, before the bidders came to their senses and withdrew.


by Elway

I’m surprised none of you are talking about the Tommy Robinson march. It sounds like it was a massive success. Anywhere from 150k to 3 million. Probably closer to 300k. It’s good to see these people are doing something to get their country back. It’s a shame Starmer didn’t allow several foreign speakers to attend. I’ve never seen Tommy this happy. I pray things turn around for

Kind of you. His actual name is Stephen, though, and attendance was up to 60,000, which is a lot but not terrifically out of the ordinary for London demos.


3 million lol. In Stephen's dreams.


by Elway

I’m surprised none of you are talking about the Tommy Robinson march. It sounds like it was a massive success. Anywhere from 150k to 3 million. Probably closer to 300k. It’s good to see these people are doing something to get their country back. It’s a shame Starmer didn’t allow several foreign speakers to attend. I’ve never seen Tommy this happy. I pray things turn around for

Yaxley's a thug who lately keeps sticking his nose into Irish politics when he's not assaulting people at railway stations. He's quite a lengthy criminal record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robi...


U Turn Burnham is already in action, now saying he’s not advocating rejoining the EU and will stick to the Reeves spending plan.

I’m puzzled why anyone would want to him to replace Starmer.


by jalfrezi

U Turn Burnham is already in action, now saying he’s not advocating rejoining the EU and will stick to the Reeves spending plan.

I’m puzzled why anyone would want to him to replace Starmer.

Beats me as well.


I have no great hope but if he:

ends 'changed' labour
seriously supports public ownership
accepts the court verdict on striking down the proscription of PA

then I will consider voting labour again. It would make burnham far better than starmer (even ignoring the mandelson stuff etc)

If he adds a national care system (which he also advocated) then i might get quite enthusiastic


by chezlaw

I have no great hope but if he:

ends 'changed' labour
seriously supports public ownership
accepts the court verdict on striking down the proscription of PA

then I will consider voting labour again. It would make burnham far better than starmer (even ignoring the mandelson stuff etc)

If he adds a national care system (which he also advocated) then i might get quite enthusiastic

Dream on.


There's no dream

I think starmer killed any real hope in the short/medium term


Burnham is fast shaping up to be Starmer with a Northern accent.

Instead of nationalising water he’s talking about a “localised public control option” for Thames Water.

wtf does that even mean?




by jalfrezi

Just need to get Elracist represented by a Muslim now. 🙂

I'm not sure why having a privileged liar of a man who is only here on a student visa, and is unable to work for more than 20 hours per week, as a MSP would be seen as a win compared to a survivor of domestic abuse who has managed to make a success of her life and has also used her wealth to support others in a similar situaion (Beira's Place).

Meanwhile the Scottish Parliament, which was supposedly pushing for more female representation, has now decided to remove any information from their website giving the number of female MSP's.


by Husker

I'm not sure why having a privileged liar of a man who is only here on a student visa, and is unable to work for more than 20 hours per week, as a MSP would be seen as a win compared to a survivor of domestic abuse who has managed to make a success of her life and has also used her wealth to support others in a similar situaion (Beira's Place).Meanwhile the Scottish Parliament,

I think as his studies are apparently completed he can work full-time till his visa expires later in the year. He'll then need to get a graduate visa, but that will only last three years, not enough to serve his term at Holyrood. Another Indian ScotGreen would-be candidate, a woman, was rejected by the party for that reason, so why it's OK for Manivannan is a mystery. He won't be eligible for a longer-term global talent visa.

'Privileged liar' seems to be correct, though, since he's represented his background as starvation-poor when in fact his parents are well-off middle-class and he went to the most expensive school in the area and one of the two most expensive private universities in India.

As a list MSP, he doesn't really represent JKR or anyone else but himself and the party.


It's also a mystery as to why the SNP-led ScotGov allowed non-citizens, without indefinite leave to remain in the UK, to stand as parliamentary representatives. Because ScotParl does not require attendance in person, then in principle Holyrood could consist entirely of foreign nationals, residing abroad, who attend only on Zoom.

And a further mystery is why Scots keep voting for the SNP when it is so clearly unfit to govern. And its ScotGreen outriders, who Scots also keep voting for, are even more defective.


Many of them keep voting for the SNP because they've been radicalised into Scottish nationalism, blaming the English for their woes instead of developing a better understanding of how capitalism works (or fails), and buying into the nationalist narrative of a fictitious noble and heroic history that never existed.

Funny how there was almost no nationalist movement in Scotland after the war and until the 1990s. I was in Edinburgh and Glasgow in the 80s and the SNP were a tiny lunatic fringe party of misfits who came into cafes and pubs to collect donations and were ignored.


Speaking of the SNP, another socialist who can't keep their grubby fingers out of the till


Only someone from the far right could describe Murrell as a socialist.


Don't think Murrell has any socialist credentials. Apart from a spell in church PR, he's only worked for the SNP (and, as it turns out, ripped the party off to a considerable extent, and if you think his wife wasn't aware I have a bridge to sell you).

The SNP claims to be 'progressive', but it really isn't, it just goes in for certain forms of middle-class elitist wokery, which tends if anything to be quite regressive.




Pass the knife please ....

John Healey resigns as defence secretary saying Starmer's military spending plans 'fall well short'

Reply...