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"Without hunger & thirst among Gazan population, we will not be able to recruit collaborators, we will not be able to recruit intelligence, we will not be able to bribe people, with food, drink, medicine, in order to obtain intelligence..." Knesset memberTali Gottlieb
https://twitter.com/i/status/17165024863...
The hunger is a feature, not a bug.
https://twitter.com/i/status/17165024863...
The hunger is a feature, not a bug.
I thought that quote was going to be from Hamas and the point was going to be that the suffering in Gaza only strengthens Hamas. May as well have been. Governments don't care about their subjects. Inside Israel (and inside the US) they use fear to instill obedience and cooperation. It has been pointed out that Stockholm Syndrome has been debunked, but that's only because they are only looking at short-term kidnappings, not the lifetime deal people get from governments.
Israel has been blackmailing and extorting people into collaboration and spying forever. they are esp ruthless towards Cancer patients' families and Gay people.
The whole region smells of a plan to push a bunch of countries into chaos, right before the American election.
The list of suspects is practically everyone of consequence in the region.
Russians and Chinese both have an incentive to stir up chaos in the region, Russians in particular do not fear disruptions to energy supply.
Qataris may want a bigger role as a power broker.
Saudis may want Iranians distracted to keep Houthis occupied
Hezbollah might want to back Iranians into backing Hezbollah more unconditionally
The terrorist groups that find Iranians not extreme enough
Every country in the region (Israel included) got potential rogue actors trying to stir up crap
Heck, the ayatollahs themselves may be interested in weakening secular factions in Iran
There are just so many factions that could desire chaos in the region, it's practically impossible to know who's responsible without someone claiming responsibility.
The list of suspects is practically everyone of consequence in the region.
Russians and Chinese both have an incentive to stir up chaos in the region, Russians in particular do not fear disruptions to energy supply.
Qataris may want a bigger role as a power broker.
Saudis may want Iranians distracted to keep Houthis occupied
Hezbollah might want to back Iranians into backing Hezbollah more unconditionally
The terrorist groups that find Iranians not extreme enough
Every country in the region (Israel in
Russia and China both have economic relationships with Iran that would preclude them doing this IMO. Especially Russia, who relies on Iran for drone hardware. Twitter says US intelligence has intel it was ISIS. Iran will of course blame "Zionist forces," but the fact they have said so little means they probably know it was ISIS too.
I mean at the end of the day when was the last time you heard someone bombed civilians in a terrorist attack like this and it wasn't an Islamist group or Islamist sympathizer. Islamists pretty much have the market cornered on this kind of abhorrent behavior; so really not fair to assume it was anyone else without a lot of evidence.
In other news, most Western nations have told any citizens in Lebanon to leave ASAP. Do with that as you will.
Russia and China both have economic relationships with Iran that would preclude them doing this IMO. Especially Russia, who relies on Iran for drone hardware. Twitter says US intelligence has intel it was ISIS. Iran will of course blame "Zionist forces," but the fact they have said so little means they probably know it was ISIS too.
I mean at the end of the day when was the last time you heard someone bombed civilians in a terrorist attack like this and it wasn't an Islamist group or Islamist
when is the last time civilians were bombed like this? every day by Israel. do you read the news?
dude really asked when the last time civilians have been bombed when our whole side of this argument for the last 3 months have been about civilians being bombed.
lol
The Ayatollah's have reportedly issued an order to their military to de-escalate, as now is not a good strategic time for the Holy War agains the West. If this is true, we should expect Hezbollah to back down, although I don't know about Houthis, because I am not sure how tightly controlled they are.
If the Palestinians had any sense, the way things are playing out it should be pretty clear that their "allies" just view them as meat to throw in the "Zionist" grinder, and have no actual commitment to their cause.
I will say the Ayatollahs are in a tricky spot, as because of their commitments to Russia and current relatively weak military strength the present is not a good time for military escalation. But the Iranian people themselves seem to be losing interest in theocracy, so the future doesn't look particularly rosy either.
It appears likely there will be a time in the near future when Israel and the US will be relatively diminished, but by the time we get there the Ayatollahs themselves may not be around to take advantage of this.
The Ayatollah's have reportedly issued an order to their military to de-escalate, as now is not a good strategic time for the Holy War agains the West. If this is true, we should expect Hezbollah to back down, although I don't know about Houthis, because I am not sure how tightly controlled they are.
If the Palestinians had any sense, the way things are playing out it should be pretty clear that their "allies" just view them as meat to throw in the "Zionist" grinder, and have no actual commit
I saw that probably from the same source you did but nowhere else
Hope it's true
ofc the Ayatollahs and Lebanese dont want a war. they are not a death cult like the Israeli psychos.
the Houthis are a sovereign nation that is controlling its shipping routes. they are doing the moral thing by excluding the ships of the genocidal USA and Israel.
ofc the Ayatollahs and Lebanese dont want a war. they are not a death cult like the Israeli psychos.
the Houthis are a sovereign nation that is controlling its shipping routes. they are doing the moral thing by excluding the ships of the genocidal USA and Israel.
houthies are irani proxies and iran wants war, they are part of irans so called axis of resistence.
"https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-senior-houthi-official-warns-iran-backed-group-will-eventually-hit-tel-aviv/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-senior-...
Ex-senior Houthi official warns that Iran-backed group will eventually hit Tel Aviv
Former spokesperson Ali Al Bukhaiti cautions that Yemen-based terror movement should not be treated as a joke, is gaining popularity around world for its attacks on Israel
Ukraine right now, and Syria a few years ago. Both times by Russia. And in Syria they used chemical warfare as well (and of course they've even done that in England, in the Salisbury poisonings).
houthies are irani proxies and iran wants war, they are part of irans so called axis of resistence.
"https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-senior-houthi-official-warns-iran-backed-group-will-eventually-hit-tel-aviv/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-senior-...
Ex-senior Houthi official warns that Iran-backed group will eventually hit Tel Aviv
Houthi are supported by Iran, but not created by them. They formed out of an opposition party in Yemen, which was opposed to the Wahhabist Sunni party which was a client of Saudi Arabia (and hence indirectly a client of the USA) which itself was formed to oppose a Democratic Socialist party, because while the US/UK/West may oppose Islamic Fundamentalism, they will use it as an instrument against Socialism.
I don't think it was Israel for obvious reasons but isis literally claimed the casino Texas shooting amongst other idiotic episodes that they couldn't have been part of. They are literally the stupidest folks on the planet and will robotically claim the ownership of whatever destruction they can while they're alive.
Houthi are supported by Iran, but not created by them. They formed out of an opposition party in Yemen, which was opposed to the Wahhabist Sunni party which was a client of Saudi Arabia (and hence indirectly a client of the USA) which itself was formed to oppose a Democratic Socialist party, because while the US/UK/West may oppose Islamic Fundamentalism, they will use it as an instrument against Socialism.
yea thanks. good infos, thats what they always did. houthies are shia and iran are shias (up to 95%), are close allies.
The list of suspects is practically everyone of consequence in the region.
Russians and Chinese both have an incentive to stir up chaos in the region, Russians in particular do not fear disruptions to energy supply.
Qataris may want a bigger role as a power broker.
Saudis may want Iranians distracted to keep Houthis occupied
Hezbollah might want to back Iranians into backing Hezbollah more unconditionally
The terrorist groups that find Iranians not extreme enough
Every country in the region (Israel in
0% chance on each count
what happened is that on 3 january 2024 a group of thin & crispy muslims deicded it was their godly duty to kill a bunch of deep-dish muslims, a thing which has been happening uninterrupted since before the vikings
thats it
All the best
Ukraine right now, and Syria a few years ago. Both times by Russia. And in Syria they used chemical warfare as well (and of course they've even done that in England, in the Salisbury poisonings).
theres no comparison between Ukraine and Gaza in terms of civilian targeting.
