Israel/Palestine thread

An endogenous civil war is entirely a self created problem entirely ascribable to that country culture and population and as such something that can be used to gauge the quality of a country.

If your people end up in a perennial civil war that's a you problem, not a "natural disaster" which you got because of bad luck.

And the country I nominated is in East Africa.

About those « western values , to be clear , where the [center left] to [clear left] values are coming from , since you called them evil too and unfortunately for they seem very present in western civilization ?

That's a pathetic attempt to weasel out of another dishonest post.

Several European countries have had civil wars, you may recall. One European country even instigated the Holocaust and many citizens who were able to fled that country. Therefore Europe = shithole

Yes and when they did they sucked and were universally properly considered horrible places until they fixed themselves.

Which is kinda the point

The people who largely dislike most Jews did some proper work in here today. I'd say it was one of the more impressive days on record, and that's saying something for this thread.

But sadly (for those people), Israeli kids go to school pretty much like yours. Then, scared shitless like any other 18 year old would be, they go to basic. Most of them pray they never see action. Almost everyone in the reserves prays they never do. And then something massive happens, and the country mobilizes. And then everyone hopes it will be 5-10-15-20 years before it ever happens again.

In between, Google the amount of times the IDF sent forces to countries who had massive natural disasters. I know men (and women) who would never in a million years hope to kill a child (and certainly never did). But they saved more than their share of them.

Peace be with you all.

Somalia to Kenya/Tanzania = former Yugoslavia to Italy. Civil war in former Yugoslavia makes Italy a shithole?

Kenya currently isn't as bad as Somalia (by far), but it's still a place with more people inside who want to go out than viceversa (and more people who left than people who came).

As such , it isn't necessarily a shithole but it's objectively worse than destinations where many more people want to go than those who want to leave.

That's the final proof. Like when the Berlin wall came down, did people run west or east? That's the only revealed actual preference of humankind, what they do when they can choose.

And btw Italy had a lot of emigration because parts of Italy actually sucked a lot for a long while

Can I have some of whatever it is you’re smoking? Just for one day I would love to believe that the West has nothing to do with any civil war that is currently happening.

Classifying the Somali civil war as endogenous is an amazing Hail Mary.

from Haaretz. today. https://archive.ph/O8rGB

sure seems that the rate of war crimes and brutality and murder is much higher in the IDF than you are allowing.

we also had this article a few days ago. https://archive.ph/hFruD

Definition? I'm not big on definitions these days. Maybe I can categorize it and talk about it's relationships with other things. It's a political philosophy. It's very similar to Nazism or other forms of white supremacy only it places Jewish people as supreme. An appropriate bin label is Jewish supremacist fascism. Zionism might not have started out that way. It might have had defensive roots reacting to anti-Semitic pogroms, but that doesn't matter now. What matters now is what it is now. Political philosophies have a way of morphing over time.

Some critics describe it as the driving philosophy behind the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and even the near-term future establishment of "greater Israel". I'm afraid Zionism is even more ambitious than that. Sometimes when goals are set and pursued the pursuit itself, ironically, requires the pursuer to change themselves. This is the theme of movies like Whiplash or Black Swan where the character has a goal and cannot complete the goal as themselves but have to spiritually or psychologically die and be reborn. Israel has been reborn as a fascist ethno-supremacist state through its pursuit of Zionism. Zionism has seen Israel organize itself around war and terrorism. As a society they, including the citizens of Israel, have become a sickeningly hate filled people who seek out and celebrate cruelty as if it were a sustaining virtue. Their military sector and defense relationship with the U.S. has ramified so deeply into their economy and culture that they are now frothing at the mouth seeking death and destruction. Zionism wants to destroy or permanently destabilize all civilizations in the Middle East other than Israel.

Zionism will eventually threaten the world enough that the world will destroy or dismantle the state of Israel. Zionism wants peace, ultimately, but peace through full spectrum military dominance and incapacitation or subjugation of all potential challengers. For any Americans I will remind you that that might sound good to you but it isn't. What you want, or what you should say you want if you want to sound refined and sophisticated, is peace through diplomacy and mutual aid. But, as I was getting at above, attempting to get peace through security, in the context of Israel's situation, has required changes which cannot be intentionally undone internally. Israel has morphed into its own fascist golem. You can't change into that and then change back like the Hulk back into David Banner. Do you think the Hulk would change back if it were up to him? Israel only knows how to do one thing now and it will keep doing it until it is stopped by an outside force, just like with Germany. So you could also say Zionism is the suicide pact of a country.

^no

Is it just me, or did Karl get banned for promoting a certain perspective of Israeli people, and then Deuces immediately popped in and doubled down right where Karl left off? Very interesting coincidental timing if you ask me.

He’s on thin ice. Characterizing countries and philosophies is a grayer area.

Is it just me or should people (naming no names, but there are at least three obvious examples) stop posting to try to get other people banned?

Mostly I just wish you guys would chill out

I'm going to venture a guess that you didn't read many hulk comics.

Chill out? CHILL OUT???

It's ****ing Christmas ffs and you expect us to chill out?

Lol

That post staying up is definitely the spirit of holidays. People got big vacations for much less.

You’re back from your vacation. Maybe relax.

That is the strangest most inaccurate nonsense I have read in my life.

You have to educate yourself man, this is batshit crazy.

That is correct. It's all TV show and movies. Maybe I messed up the Hulk lore. But look at the U.S. and how we've been saddled with the military industrial complex since WWII. In many respects Israel is an outgrowth of our complex. Israel is not only a pretext generating machine for our defense contractors and they also demo our products which we sell to other countries after they see them in action. Mearsheimer (prof at UC) said that the Israel lobby got us into war with Iraq. But it's not like Boeing was against making (read stealing) even more of our (that's yours and mine) money. And once these military contractors are spread out and integrated into the tech sector...good luck ever reigning them in.

Israel is now similarly oriented around war except their enemy is not someone halfway around the world with whom they can play spy games and engage in proxy wars where a bunch of Ukrainians get killed for no reason. Their perceived enemies are any non Jewish states anywhere in the region that have a decent military budget, along with any Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank who have the temerity to exist in their own homeland. The Israeli incursion into Syria was all too predictable. It's got to feed the fire.

I've been on this forum for like a decade and I've been involved in this topic since before that. I was banned several times in a previous thread for saying things which people said were insane but which are now taken for granted. That's actually why I don't post so much anymore on this. I feel like people have caught up, to a large extent, in understanding on this topic as the rate of killing has climbed and more people have taken an interest.

This isn't a forum full of idiots btw. There is no point in lazily throwing labels on people and ignoring their arguments. There is no large crowd of highly suggestible, low information observers who are impressed with mere labels.

There is no way to explain the displacement of a Palestinian from their home followed by replacement of said Palestinian in that home with some fatso from Brooklyn, simply because fatso is Jewish, other than a philosophy of racial-ethnic supremacy. There are tons of video and polling information showing every element of racist fascism as the dominant political philosophy of the Israeli populace. It's a populace rabid, foaming with hatred which is clearly articulated as deriving from a racial or ethnic basis.

Do you want videos?

There are even more damnng quotes than this but I'm not allowed to post the comparisons one IDF murderer made between the IDF and historic events.

https://archive.ph/2024.12.23-102713/htt...

I did not throw labels at you, only at your definition of Zionism.

You could have simply answered that you don’t know the definition, and I would have gladly given it to you.

This post is also absurd, but not as bad as the previous one.