Israel/Palestine thread

Its about as good as praxtically possible here, though.

It isnt so easy to start up a bunch of 2+2s, or a lot of SM sites , or protests in general in China or Russia to tell Xi or Putin that they are some of the most power hungry lunatics in the world like i can with trump. And other places are much worse than those particular two.

https://middleeasttransparent.com/lebano...

--So the Lebanese govt is actively prohibiting Iran from supplying Hezbollah by air. Before Israel destroyed Hezbollah, they had complete control of Beirut Airport and used it extensively to smuggle in whatever they wanted.

The fact that Hezbollah is weakened enough that the Lebanese govt feels emboldened to stand up to Iranian domination of their nation is actually a very big deal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/italy-summ...

--In other news a progressive anti-Western Italian journalist was in Iran doing some pro IRI propaganda fluff pieces when they arrested her and threw her in solitary confinement. Iran has all but admitted it was in response to Italy imprisoning an Iranian national accused of being an IRI spy.

--One does wonder whether being victimized by an authoritarian state with no due process or civil rights will cause this journalist to reflect on her chosen worldview. Sadly, I suspect not.

the daughter of the director of a 500 year old bank is probably super pro-Iran

Imaging being so completely morally compromised and such a complete toadie for the IRI that to defend completely indefensible actions by them you are willing to completely dismiss a fairly prolific war correspondent who you know absolutely nothing about who has risked their life multiple times for what they believe in (we can disagree on what they believe in is right or wrong) based on such a specious reason.

And I wont even get into the underlying misogyny of your obvious worldview that a woman should be reduced to nothing but an extension of her father (where you are completely projecting on her father, who you know nothing about either).

Really low even for you, which is saying a lot.

Why would you protest here in the Americas? Nobody cares. People start to care even less when you block roads and prevent students from getting to class.

It would have been 0 killed if Hamas didn't attack on Oct 7th.

I figured you weren't talking about Israel.

so your opinion is that if college students protested peacefully in a park or plaza without disrupting traffic or occupying buildings or otherwise violate property, they would be on the receiving end of a lot of violence anyway?

or that a right exist to protest violently and block bridges or occupy buildings for any topic?

it is illegal to mess with other people property for whatever "cause", that's not protesting, that's violating property rights.

and if you try the exact same extent of violence to protest against taxes or anything else you get the same reaction (actually you get a harsher reaction sooner, as what pro Hamas students were allowed to do before law enforcement started intervening was close to unprecedented)

I thought you right wingers were in favour of free media?

yep free doesn't include any media sponsored by undemocratic states.

State actors aren't free enterprises and in general foreign actors don't have the same rights as domestic ones. Free media means free, private, domestic media. Doesn't mean any foreign enemy has a right to use it's entities to intervene in domestic affairs.

you tried to smear a prominent Western mainstream journalist as doing "pro IRI propaganda". as usual, you gave no evidence and the most cursory google search proved you wrong.

this was the last time she appeared on video before the unjustified arrest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khj7R2u_...

she says here that she was happy to be back in Iran because 1) now hundreds of thousand of women don't wear the veil anymore in defiance of the law 2) Israel bombarded the country and Nethanyau said the regime isn't going to last for long 3) she likes the new Iranian president because he is a riformist

Doesn't look like pro IRI propaganda

Ok. Well, I am going off of tweets and news reports that presented it that way (apparently erroneously), and you can listen to first hand information; so not going to argue. If you are a private citizen foreigner in an autocratic nation with no civil rights and Third World moral norms, getting imprisoned for nothing you did for political reasons I guess is just the price you have to be willing to pay.

I remember when Canada arrested and put on home arrest the CEO of a Chinese company a few years ago (on behalf of the US) China randomly threw a couple Canadians in prison for 3 years in response. And they would have stayed there indefinitely if the US/Canada didn't refuse to drop charges, which they eventually did.

I'm not a right winger just a person who calls out things as I see them.

Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar who happily houses terrorists.

Do you think a news media who is the propaganda piece for terrorists should be allowed to stay?

Yes. Good riddance!!

She is kinda centrist, that in Italy means what elsewhere would be technocratic center left.

So she is pro Ukraine and pro Israel with a lot of added word salad to appear "balanced" and not deny the eventual responsibilities according to them and mistakes of this or that Israeli or Ukrainian decision.

So for Iran she is against mandatory veil for women but she is content enough with the current president "promising" they won't go as hard as before on women who "don't use it properly". That kind of takes, which I guess is in good faith in her case.

Yet jt's 100% evident that her specific kind of journalism isn't what triggered the arrest (not the first time in Iran, channel is visible woth all her content and so on), rather a very standard quid pro quo like you mentioned.

To mention the fact that iranian-italian relationships have always been warmer than iran-western relationships. Not meaning we are allied by any mean but for some reasons, maybe starting with Mattei murder by america, Iran (like Russia) doesn't see Italy as 100% an enemy and the great Satan rather like a minor regional power which at times can be aligned with them

No, of course not.

The same applies for Israelis traveling in Arab areas. The Israelis have these rules for safety purposes. The Arabs have their rules for bigoted reasons.

its not Israeli land! they shouldnt be travelling there at all lol.

Interesting.

Care to share any roads in the Arab countries of the Middle East that restrict and prohibit access to vehicles with Israeli license plates?

Care to share information on military checkpoints in Arab countries through which Israelis must pass, but their citizens must not?

Genuinely curious as I’ve never seen such information.

Israel was the first country to stop stamping passports way back in 2013. They did this because many Arab nations wouldn't let you in of you even visited Israel

So no Israeli vehicles couldn't travel there

Israel is finally allowed over Saudi airspace for the past year or so but could never before. But they can only fly to the few Arab nations that they have normalization with (Egypt, Jordan, Uae)
They are not allowed to fly to any other

So no, israeli civilians do not have to pass through checkpointsin Iran Iraq Syria Lebanon or Qatar for example... because they are not allowed in them

lol Israel took photo ops of civilians in the South of Lebanon last month. they arent allowed there, but they go anyway.

I found updated information

As of 2023, 28 countries do not recognize Israel's sovereignty. 25 of these are Muslim-majority countries, of which 17 explicitly do not process Israeli passport holders, and a further six of those 17 do not admit entry to non-Israelis with any sort of ties to Israel. These 17 countries are:

Afghanistan
Algeria
Bangladesh
Brunei
Iran
Iraq
Kuwait
Lebanon
Libya
Malaysia
Maldives
Oman
Pakistan
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Yemen

So I'm pretty sure Israelis can not use any roads in these 17 countries

Maybe we should close down roads and not let Arabs into libraries until these countries allow Israelis in!!