Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Up until now you have argued with me respectfully, even if we have not agreed on anything.
What happened, the loss on all fronts of those who wanted to destroy us frustrates you?
Or did you feel the need to align yourself with your two friends who I am already ignoring?
In any case, you have earned my ignoring you as well. If that is what you wanted, you have received
I have to clarify something for the three idiots here. I'm not ignoring you because I care that you call me a child murderer. It doesn't matter to me, because I know what I did and didn't do - and I certainly didn't kill any children.
I'm ignoring you because you can't have a discussion. You're acting like triggerd children whose parents didn't let them buy an iPhone.
And also because the level of your discussion and claims really doesn't warrant consideration. Zero critical thinking and zero logic. I'm also against continuing the war in Gaza. I also think a Palestinian state should be recognized.
This doesn't contradict the fact that the war was justified, at least in the majority, and that the war against Iran is 100% justified and correct. You can hold complex perceptions about reality, it's not a football game
Never supported Bibi, never voted for him, still have a lot of criticism towards him.
But today, all I have to say is kudos, wonderful job.
I hope you're still be saying so in 10+years time. You think it's reduced the risks to israel. I think it's increased it significantly
I hope you're still be saying so in 10+years time. You think it's reduced the risks to israel. I think it's increased it significantly
I don't just assume from my own feelings, I know current intel information on the subject, and its not even close.
Your assumption that the threat to Israel has increased is based mainly on global public opinion against Israel. There are two things you are probably not addressing -
A. Israel is in the headlines right now, so it's clear that opinions are more polarized. After the war, they'll wrap the fish with the newspapers that discussed Israel.
B. Public opinion has actually strengthened in favor of Israel, in the relevant places. World leaders, including the Arab nations, have actually strengthened relations with Israel and support it more than ever. The misunderstanding I see here is the assumption that people who write on social media truly reflect the tectonic processes that have occurred since the start of the war. Just to explain the gap - countries, some of which we didn't even have relations with, allow us to make military use of their territories for the purpose of the war with Iran. Israeli planes take off and land from places that we were once forbidden from even flying over.
I could go on and on, but in general we are at a historic opportunity politically. And as for the threats against us, I really think you don't know and don't understand what the concrete threat against us was, how close Iran was to realizing their threat.
And on a more optimistic and joyful note - Israel blew up the clock in Palestine Square in Iran that was counting down the time to the destruction of Israel.
By the way, this is the only "non-aggressive" country in history to have placed a clock in a central square whose sole purpose was to count down the time to the destruction of another country.
in memory:
I'm also against continuing the war in Gaza. I also think a Palestinian state should be recognized.
Lol
What's the quote? "Someday, when it's safe to say so, everyone will have always been against this."
A few months ago bro was mooning that he couldn't return to Gaza for some more killing.
Lol
What's the quote? "Someday, when it's safe to say so, everyone will have always been against this."
A few months ago bro was mooning that he couldn't return to Gaza for some more killing.
You are the last stupid liar I am still willing to answerץ
1. I asked to volunteer again for the war in Lebanon, not in Gaza, and you know that because we talked about the war there.
2. Six months ago I thought the war in Gaza was still legitimate and necessary.. It is a matter of goals and objectives. So here too, as usual, your statement has no meaning.
Lol
What's the quote? "Someday, when it's safe to say so, everyone will have always been against this."
A few months ago bro was mooning that he couldn't return to Gaza for some more killing.
Not to defend his country? Reason seven million and five you're considered a bad faith poster who constantly derails discussion with your toxic bullshit.
Who read the letter Sinwar, Muhammad Deif and Marwan Issa sent to Nasrallah and Iran after the attack?
And why doesn't Vic publish it, like it publishes "everything relevant" about the conflict.
2. Six months ago I thought the war in Gaza was still legitimate and necessary.. It is a matter of goals and objectives. So here too, as usual, your statement has no meaning.
well it wasnt then or now no matter what you think.
on October 8th 2023?
nor in Germany in 1943
Why not? Something on your mind? Spit it out vic.
idk, maybe slow your roll and listen to the people who were right about this from day 1?
kastner's family are close friends of mine. studied this matter extensively, read every trial protocol. want to discuss that affair first?
Make your point.
I have to clarify something for the three idiots here. I'm not ignoring you because I care that you call me a child murderer. It doesn't matter to me, because I know what I did and didn't do - and I certainly didn't kill any children.
Oh yeah? You merely just killed a bunch of innocent adults?
But seriously, yes, you did kill children, you completely irredeemable piece of human excrement. I don't know if you personally shot a child to death, you got us there, but the fact that you went around with your IDF death squads (who are known for two things -- 1. murder, and 2. smearing feces against the walls of, and stealing everything from, the homes of Palestinians you invade) and presumably committed the same war crimes as everyone else in your division or whatever it's called did (I truly do not care to correctly label the military credentials of IDF murderers) means you have the blood of innocent civilians all over your hands.
Put simply, you are the bad guy in this conflict, a fact on which the significant majority of the world's population agrees.
The actual source was this creep's own words (at least, assuming one has the ability to read critically), but more to the point, do you think that constantly lobbying charges of antisemitism DOES anything useful to any of us or is seen as remotely compelling? Especially after we continually criticize the IDF, Israel's foreign policy misadventures, oppression of Arabs domestically, etc. etc., while never saying anything one way or the other about the Jewish faith and its practice?
Like, if you want to see antisemitism, go on Twitter, you'll see many outright Nazis and others (from a smattering of almost all ideologies) engaging in REAL antisemitism. Compare their words and ours and tell us with a straight face they're the same thing.
In the same way that women getting raped who dont resist because they know it will just make it worse collaborate with their own rapist. Extreme power differentials very much complicate the issue of complicity. Something a so called progressive such as yourself would understand, if not for your extreme biases.
The real world (which none of us have had to face because we live in a much safer, more secure world than Jews in 1930s Europe or Israelis for the last 80 years) forces you to make tough choices of lesser evils.
Moral purity is very much a luxury that only the most privileged and deluded get to enjoy.
Link 1- disregarding the context as usual, so that's dismissed
2 1933 before the Holocaust actually happened and enabled Jews to flee Nazi persecution, so that's dismissed too
3 Resoundingly and derisively dismissed, as is any other source claiming "apartheid regime" or any of the other usual buzzwords that tankies like you love to hurl in Jews' faces
Anything else, so I can laugh at you some more?
The actual source was this creep's own words (at least, assuming one has the ability to read critically), but more to the point, do you think that constantly lobbying charges of antisemitism DOES anything useful to any of us or is seen as remotely compelling? Especially after we continually criticize the IDF, Israel's foreign policy misadventures, oppression of Arabs domestica
Really? Cite verbatim where he claimed he wanted to/loved killing children or innocents, seeing as what you say is so true. Won't hold my breath.
