Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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The WHO is Hamas! Medical journals are Hamas! Human rights orgs are Hamas! Wikipedia is Hamas! Hamas Hamas Hamas!
The UN is Hamas too, we can't forget them! I remember visiting Hamas West headquarters in NYC as a kid.
You ever sit back for a second and reflect upon why the planet hates Zionists and support for Israel has plummeted through the floor? May it have something to do with the regular claims from Zionists that almost every media entity, international diplomacy group, NGO, etc. on Earth is in a love affair with Hamas and pathologically hates Jewish people?
That is a still shot from a video allegedly showing a Hamas fighter throwing a fire bomb in an Israel APC and killing 7 IDF soldiers. That is just Victor being Victor.
There's no "allegedly", Israel itself admitted 7 of its soldiers were killed on the attacks on the Israeli APCs (I watched the video, and it was two tanks in total being attacked) in Khan Younis. You gotta give it up to Hamas, they're overwhelmingly under-armed and under-funded and they're still seriously resisting.
I was just showing the IDF soldier getting got in response to you talking **** and loling at Ramy who lost almost his entire family to the genocidal monsters that you support.
altho, I guess we have no idea where that bomb went! we have no idea who was in the tank! it could have been ai! Pallyworld!
Right. But no flour massacre vids or evil IDF mowing down civilians for chuckles.
It depends on the genocidal monster. I mean Drax from Moonraker was pretty suave, in fairness.
There's no "allegedly", Israel itself admitted 7 of its soldiers were killed on the attacks on the Israeli APCs (I watched the video, and it was two tanks in total being attacked) in Khan Younis. You gotta give it up to Hamas, they're overwhelmingly under-armed and under-funded and they're still seriously resisting.
Well, we know 7 soldiers were killed. Even Israel was unsure what exactly happened. They initially speculated it was a bomb placed on the outside of an APC.
IF it is determined that is a video is of the incident, it is very nice of Hamas to show Israel the specific operational vulnerability they can address.
Right. But no flour massacre vids or evil IDF mowing down civilians for chuckles.
It depends on the genocidal monster. I mean Drax from Moonraker was pretty suave, in fairness.
theres a lot of videos. go to dropsite, or the aforementioned Ramy, or Mosab Abu Toha twitter feeds.
They're in the middle of a war and have bigger fish to fry than go through a bunch of names.
This is such crap. No country puts more effort into PR than Israel, and everything is on the line.
Yes, trusting the Hamas Health Ministry as an unimpeachable source is indeed such crap.
Name a better source, liar.
The UN is Hamas too, we can't forget them! I remember visiting Hamas West headquarters in NYC as a kid.You ever sit back for a second and reflect upon why the planet hates Zionists and support for Israel has plummeted through the floor? May it have something to do with the regular claims from Zionists that almost every media entity, international diplomacy group, NGO, etc. on
I was just meeting a shitpost with a shitpost.
Mainstream media sources are generally reliable absent a defeator, but marxists of all people should know they do have ideological biases. Isn’t that the argument you guys make all the time about deference to capital?
Turns out the “Harvard study” thing was misinformation in exactly the ways that I said it was probably misinformation. Not the fault of the person making the study mind you, but the fault of bad reading comprehension, poor reasoning, and a typo.
An error in the map: 700,000 inhabitants in Al-Mawasi, not 500,000
What can we say about this conclusion? Contacted by the FRANCE 24 Observers team on June 24, Yaakov Garb said he was initially surprised by this “strange misreading” of the figures given by the Israeli army at the end of May 2025.
As stated in the article, “the population estimates in the enclaves are from IDF sources reported in the media”. The article also states that these clusters “are very approximate indications of the three enclaves of Gazan populations”.
But after rechecking the figures on his map against the Israeli army's announcement, he realised that there was a typo in the figures for Al-Mawasi: the number given by the Israeli army and reported in the media was actually 700,000 inhabitants, and not 500,000. "I'm going to correct that immediately," he told FRANCE 24 Observers, explaining that he would issue a revised version of his article.
He added: “My main argument in this map was that most of the population (the one million inhabitants of Gaza and a large proportion of those in the central zone) is far from the location of the humanitarian compounds, which remains the case. I didn't even assume that this was the entire population of Gaza – that the figures add up to 100% - but simply a representation of the central concentrations.”
“It's a bit worrying that someone would rely on a typo in a map as evidence of genocide without first asking," he continued. "There are enough horrible things happening in Gaza that this kind of echo chamber amplification of a typo doesn't help anyone.”
This error explains the misunderstandings and misinterpretations, since the Israeli army counted 2,050,000 Gazans, not 1,850,000.
No one is responding to all these massacre reports because no one thinks they are true. Every day there are supposedly IDF troop massacres of bread lines, and somehow no one can ever capture any evidence of it. Only carefully edited videos of the supposed afterwards, if that.
We just have to rely completely on Hamas "eyewitnesses" this is all going on.
well, I guess you can add the IDF soldiers themselves to the list of witnesses
unsurprisingly, their descriptions largely match up with what Palestinians have reported.
Yes, trusting the Hamas Health Ministry as an unimpeachable source is indeed such crap.
I explained twice why we aren't relying just on the Health Ministry. You are willfully obtuse.
So is Haaretz Hamas now?
well, I guess you can add the IDF soldiers themselves to the list of witnesseshttps://archive.md/wmomj unsurprisingly, their descriptions largely match up with what Palestinians have reported.
Your link leads to a different article than the image you posted and the actual Haaretz piece is behind a paywall. Can you c&p or else link the full Haaretz article?
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Mohammed El-Kurd
oh thank god haaretz confirmed what these not very credible palestinian journalists have been saying for the past months. what would we do without haaretz!!! that the testimony of israeli soldiers is somehow more credible and carries more weight than their palestinian victims is just good old fashioned racism. you can call it a strategy or spin it whichever way you like, it's still racist.
It's racism if you don't believe Hamas!
yes, its absurd. once again Palestinians have been saying this for months. just another example in a long list.
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to the list of witnesses to the daily flour massacres.
Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has said that “the Israeli-US food distribution scheme in Gaza is slaughter masquerading as humanitarian aid” as it called on the Israeli authorities to end its siege on the devastated territory.
Palestinian witnesses and health officials say Israeli forces have repeatedly opened fire on crowds heading toward desperately needed food, killing hundreds of Palestinian people in recent weeks.
Especially notable is that the IDF soldiers quoted by Haaretz say it's a daily thing -- they are not describing merely a single outlying incident. And now we have an official name for the flour massacres: Operation Salted Fish.
Salted Fish is the equivalent of the childrens game Red Light Green Light. they are so twisted.
By whom? The WHO aka PR for CCP's China? The UN who have shown an historical bias toward Israel? The Lancet? Human Rights Watch who have faced their own criticism on various issues? Al Jazeera? Who are these "independently verifiable" bodies?
This is true but it's also true, outside of that context, we have had testimonies even the IDF thinks Hamas health ministry's overall counts are reliable and verifiable.
Thanks for that. If true that's clearly a war crime and it doesn't make sense that IDF soldiers would lie about such things either. The perpetrators should be brought to trial and if convicted given life without parole. While Israel don't recognise the ICC, they should make an exception here and send them off to The Hague to show they're serious and prevent them getting sent off to some cushy prison with preferential treatment, although fat chance of that happening.
Now, that said, the fact that the Military Advocate general is calling for investigations into war crimes and rejecting the claims of IDF commanders, belies your claim of the Evil Genocidal Zionists, as if that were the case, you'd have no calls for an investigation, nor would Haaretz be allowed to publish such articles. Differentiate between war crimes and genocide. But I do appreciate you linking the article and thanks again.
I explained twice why we aren't relying just on the Health Ministry. You are willfully obtuse.
So is Haaretz Hamas now?
I already stated why they're not a reliable source, due to their non differentiating between combatants and civilians and I'm well aware thousands of civilians have been killed and the context of this has already being covered. I'm talking about the wart in general, not the specific instances vic highlighted.
And stop using twitter as a source as your quote in another post is just plain stupid.
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Mohammed El-Kurd
oh thank god haaretz confirmed what these not very credible palestinian journalists have been saying for the past months. what would we do without haaretz!!! that the testimony of israeli soldiers is somehow more credible and carries more weight than their palestinian victims is just good old fashioned racism. you can call it a strategy or spin it whichever way you like, it's still racist.
Of course IDF soldiers stating atrocities have occurred are more credible as they've no incentive to make such claims.
Well, part of it is no one is acting as if all the reports of massacres are true. Probably because they aren’t true. The idea that Israel can be massacring people waiting in bread lines with tanks and machine guns every day for weeks and there is never a shred of real evidence is preposterous. Unfortunately western media playing along with Hamas propaganda like they
Even the IDF doesn't deny shootings happened. The IDF's explanations themselves suggest they are shooting indiscriminately at people who are perhaps just trying to rush to food. Shooting starving people who are just trying to get in line early to get food is inhumane/immoral by any reasonable definition of the words. The IDF needs a better way to do crowd control and threat assessment.
Let's just say the results weren't 100% predictable (they were, and BCG knew it was a **** show enough they cut partners that got involved). It's way past time IDF does some real process improvements. Sacking the morons that gave the order to shoot for example. Digital/biometric numbers queues for example. ID number based Queues for example. ****, AI based identifications at this point. Make this a mass surveillance exercise and do real digital ID on everyone that gets a food packet and then start doing queues based on those IDs. There are so many things the IDF could do aid better and promote their security interest at the same time it's kind of hilarious. That they aren't doing them suggest some combination of willful ignorance and hatred induced blindness.
Equivocations about location and reasons for shooting are increasingly perfunctory, suggesting the killing of Palestinians is increasingly normalized and IDF is growing closer to the monster that some in this thread accuse it of being (although it still got a loooooonnnnnngggggg way to go before it's even comparable to Hamas/IRGC)
This is true but it's also true, outside of that context, we have had testimonies even the IDF thinks Hamas health ministry's overall counts are reliable and verifiable.
Which equates to what exactly? 50k civilians killed or maybe 30 and 20k Hamas fighters? Or vice versa? You yourself acknowledged how Hamas hide among the Palestinian populace. I have no problem with Israel being condemned over the amount of civilians being killed, but I do have an issue with false claims of genocide, simply due to a hatred of Israel and that's not an unreasonable issue to have either.
