Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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, there was actually some of those bills that were approved and supported by the squad. People like AOC and Omar, who are accused of being vehemently pro Palestine even supported those measures.
I dont think Omar has supported anything like that fwiw.
but it shouldnt be any surprise about AOC given she is a soulless ghouls looking to become the next Pelosi so she definitely supports sending missiles to the genocidal racists in Israel. apparently she doesnt even get paid by AIPAC. she just does it for the love of the game.
I am on phone, so not my most complete post. That being said, most common people are dumb and low information. so all else being equal if there is a divide between the American people and the political class, and MJT and Omar are on the side of the people, I am pretty comfortable saying the political class are the correct side to go with.
Forget about Tucker Carlson or Marjorie Green or any individual .
Point is this time it is different as people who normally have been supportive of Israel, including Israeli people , politicians including a former Prime Minister are now critical of what the Netanyahu administration is doing in Gaza. Critics of the Netanyahu administration now include huge numbers of young Republican voters. So again you could even forget about the individuals I brought up ….Israel has a PR problem now.
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Because Israel is nuclear armed, it’s not going anywhere. Whatever enemies you think pose a threat to Israel have not enough power whether they’re in Lebanon , Yemen or Iran they are incapable of doing anything of real concern….otherwise we would have sustained operations inside of Tel Aviv and airstrikes against Israel every day. It’s just not happening.
The only thing is how history will record Israel. And this is a dark evil chapter in the history of Israel because of their current administration. I do give credit to the many Jews of the world that oppose Netanyahu hopefully they prevail in the long-term
Because Israel is nuclear armed, itÂ’s not going anywhere. Whatever enemies you think pose a threat to Israel have not enough power whether theyÂ’re in Lebanon , Yemen or Iran they are incapable of doing anything of real concernÂ….otherwise we would have sustained operations inside of Tel Aviv and airstrikes against Israel every day. ItÂ’s just not happ
I think you underestimate the effects of even low intensity wars. In a capitalist system, it is just bad for business to constantly be fighting in low intensity wars on your home soil, even if there is no immediate concern of enemy tanks rolling through Tel Aviv.
I think that is something that Americans dont appreciate as much as they probably should. That because of our geographic isolation and our (dwindling) empire of military bases and allies spread through the world, our wars never happen at home. We take the war to you; we dont let you take it to us.
Also, I acknowledge that Israel's actions are not purely defensive. I just think the narrative around what Israel is doing is extremely bad faith. Israel is not an imperial power conquering an empire. This isn't the second coming of Alexander the Great, Napoleon, or even Vladimir Putin. It is a tiny nation trying to capture and control even tinier pieces of geostrategic land on its borders.
History recording Israel poorly isn't great for Israel. And maybe Netanyahu is making a giant strategic blunder not paying more attention to how the narrative is being shaped. But it is very far from the only thing. Israel/Netanyahu is obviously hoping it can meet some important geostrategic objectives now; and then worry about rehabilitating PR later.
Starmer: UK will recognise Palestinian statehood at UN in September
The UK will recognise Palestinian statehood in September ahead of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA), Keir Starmer now says - before listing some conditions for this to happen.
According to a written handout of the cabinet meeting he held earlier, Starmer said this would happen "unless the Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation in Gaza, reaches a ceasefire, makes clear there will be no annexation in the West Bank, and commits to a long-term peace process that delivers a Two State Solution".
Would you prefer nothing happens?
If the war stops, what else you gonna do of you your days?
its a hollow move. its a slap in the face really. the thousands of people that will die in the next few days dont care. and its a transparent attempt to avoid actually ending the genocide.
Short of declaring war on Israel, it's doubtful that anyone can directly stop it. Even if the Americans suspended arms exports (which they won't), the Israelis would still have enough small arms, tanks, artillery and ammunition, and drones, for their present purposes. Only NATO bombing stopped the genocidal Serbs in former Yugoslavia, who certainly weren't reliant on high-end arms exports for their killing capability. And only multinational military action -- outwith the UN, because of the American veto -- will ever stop Israel's programme of annexation and ethnic cleansing, and apparently no one has the nerve for it.
Politically, the whole thing is hopeless because everyone mouths platitudes about a two-state solution when they know the Israelis will never willingly permit such a thing.
I haven't commented on this thread thus far, so I'm a rookie on the subject. Wouldn't the "appalling situation in Gaza" have been avoided if Hamas had released the hostages? In other words, isn't the current alleged slaughter of innocent children actually orchestrated by Hamas itself?
I haven't commented on this thread thus far, so I'm a rookie on the subject. Wouldn't the "appalling situation in Gaza" have been avoided if Hamas had released the hostages? In other words, isn't the current alleged slaughter of innocent children actually orchestrated by Hamas itself?
No, the Israelis are fairly frank about their wish to eliminate the population of Gaza. And they can afford to be, because no one is prepared to take military action against them, and military action is the only thing that will stop them.
[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/the-starvation-of-gaza-is-shameful-crippling-sanctions-on-israel-are-needed"]The starvation of Gaza is shameful. Crippling sanctions on Israel are needed
Thirty-one Israeli signatories express their shame, rage and agony over the plight of Palestinians and call for action from the international community[/URL]
I was going with this one
in response to our first time poster wondering if this was all the fault of Hamas
No, the Israelis are fairly frank about their wish to eliminate the population of Gaza. And they can afford to be, because no one is prepared to take military action against them, and military action is the only thing that will stop them.
Where can I get reliable information about Israel's "wish to eliminate the population of Gaza"? Hamas has already been proactive in conducting military action against Israel. Hezbollah would have joined in the fun if it weren't for their pagers fiasco. Who is funding those militias?
Wouldn't the "appalling situation in Gaza" have been avoided if Hamas had released the hostages?
Is it Hamas who is annexing the strip to Israel?
Netanyahu Proposes Annexing Parts of Gaz...
Is it Hamas that is blocking aid trucks?
Is Hamas forbidding Gazans from fishing or even wading in the ocean?
Hamas is "orchestrating" genocide? Come on.
Very curious idea of agency you have.
Where can I get reliable information about Israel's "wish to eliminate the population of Gaza"?
Page up this thread for a few days. There is a massive amount of cited material.
Google AI it’s just as reputable as CNN or Fox News. But you’re too lazy to notice that the Google AI results provide sources to back itself up. Or you don’t like what is being said by me so it’s instead of responding to my own context you just pick and choose a few posts where I also provide additional context from a Google AI results.
So you’re being extremely rude by not directly quoting people you take issue with.
I’ve provided plenty of my own context.
Do better.
I haven't commented on this thread thus far, so I'm a rookie on the subject. Wouldn't the "appalling situation in Gaza" have been avoided if Hamas had released the hostages? In other words, isn't the current alleged slaughter of innocent children actually orchestrated by Hamas itself?
Yous ay that as if soemhow it would be an excuse for or any defense of war crimes, crimes against humanity etc
I was going with this one in response to our first time poster wondering if this was all the fault of Hamas
The new poster admitted he didn't know much about the subject and asked a good-faith question.
P.S. "You're a jerk." - Mark Twain*
*Well, I'm sure Twain said that to somebody at least once in his life.
[b]Google AI it’s just as reputable as CNN or Fox News.[b] But you’re too lazy to notice that the Google AI results provide sources to back itself up. Or you don’t like what is being said by me so it’s instead of responding to my own context you just pick and choose a few posts where I also provide additional context from a Google AI results. So you’re being extremely rude by
GoogleAI messes up basic facts all the time even on stuff that 's non-controversial.
