Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Eh, probably with envy that she didn't kill the million kids or something.
I googled this and the only sources I found were instagram and facebook, from accounts such as "Free Palestine now" and "Palestine reveals". I haven't found one msm source to verify this, so I'm taking it with an industrial sized barrel of of salt unless Jal can source this reputably.
Edit: Just caught Jal's retraction now, so never mind and props to him for the retraction.
Could be avoided by simply checking your sources before posting, especially if it’s from an unreliable Twitter account.
To make her look like an evil witch. She never said any such thing in any interview, and the people meming it on Facebook and Insta can't provide the video of her saying it, because she didn't. It's an anti-semitic fabrication. But what she did say is that all deaths of Palestinian children at the hands of the IDF are the fault of Hamas, which is the usual feeble bureaucratic b
Why make up a fake quote if there real things this lady is saying are just as horrible? Seems very silly and counterproductive.
Why make up a fake quote if there real things this lady is saying are just as horrible? Seems very silly and counterproductive.
The fake quote was more rhetorically useful to certain interests, I suppose (and may actually amount to a blood libel, which merely mentioning that IDF actions have killed children doesn't). But the kind of people who fake these things know that much of their Insta and Facebook and Twitter audience won't bother checking and will just repost and give life to the meme.
Sounds like an RFK policy
Notice the obvious tactic of the pathetic pro-war in Gaza people. What they want is to not talk about one of the worst war atrocities in the modern era. As even honest Jewish scholars in Israel have pointed out that the civilian death toll in Gaza is unprecedented in modern times.
The pro war in Gaza folks want to make the debate about bigotry. Don’t actually talk about the substance of the war. Hell don’t even really talk about the war. What they do is they look for influencers to say something nasty. And then they hyper concentrate on that. Make the debate about race….
iow single out influencers in the USA that criticize the Israeli government. Including ones who don’t have a single racist bone in their body. Look at what they say like it could be a one hour video and single out one sentence and then take that completely out of context. Ignore all the times that said influencer praises multiculturalism or stands against racism.
And that is the pro war in Gaza lobby for you in a nutshell. They also either engage in anti-Muslim bigotry or don’t say anything about it. It is annoying, it is trashy and they do it every day. And thank God that most people around the world see right through it. And that sort of tactic by the pro war in Gaza people is a big reason why the majority of the American people now see the Israeli government in a negative light along with most of the western world seeing the Israeli government in a negative light. As anyone who can think properly and has a heart can see that it is 1 million times worse that tens of thousands of innocent women and children in Gaza are being slaughtered …compared to what some influencer says about a foreign government.
point was in modern warfare….most folks who make that point are going back perhaps 10-20 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/s...
Key point was the tactic to utilize bigotry …. Ie any criticism of Israeli history or the war in Gaza is anti-Semitic , or a blood libel or some nonsense like that.
Make the conversation about bigotry as opposed to actually talking about the substance that the actions that are occurring during the war. Dunyain is a prime example of someone engaging in this tactic..
I don't see whether it's what you're calling "modern warfare" or not is relevant to the claim of its uniqueness. If Rwanda had happened anywhere outside Africa the RoW wouldn't have forgotten about it.
Lol who are the “pro war in Gaza” people? The resistance by any means crowd are the main proponents of the never ending cycle of violence. October 7th kickstarted the war in Gaza buddy.
I don't see whether it's what you're calling "modern warfare" or not is relevant to the claim of its uniqueness. If Rwanda had happened anywhere outside Africa the RoW wouldn't have forgotten about it.
His claim is just nonsense. There have been several worse wars in the Middle East alone in the modern era. The Lebanon Civil War, Syria Civil War, Yemen Civil War, and post Saddam Iraq were all worse in scope and duration. And had much more civilian casualties.
The only thing unprecedented about this conflict is how Hamas is so completely indifferent towards the Palestinian people and has refused to make peace, and the rest of the world is so indifferent. Even ISIS tried harder to take care of their own people. Hamas couldn't be more indifferent if they tried.
Lol who are the “pro war in Gaza” people? The resistance by any means crowd are the main proponents of the never ending cycle of violence. October 7th kickstarted the war in Gaza buddy.
Well, if you look at polling the "pro war" people seem to be the Palestinians themselves. They still mainly support 10/7 and Hamas (if you believe the polls). They support the war (at least the part about invading Israel and killing Jews). They just wish the world would force Israel to let them do better.
Lets not forget, the end goal still is to drive the Jews out and destroy Israel. And as long as the rest of the world supports The Resistance as it is, it seems reasonable it will eventually happen; it just might take a few more generations than ideal.
sounds like soccer is antisemitic
His claim is just nonsense. There have been several worse wars in the Middle East alone in the modern era. The Lebanon Civil War, Syria Civil War, Yemen Civil War, and post Saddam Iraq were all worse in scope and duration. And had much more civilian casualties. The only thing unprecedented about this conflict is how Hamas is so completely indifferent towards the Palestinian
It’s interesting that you accuse people of posting nonsense without providing any links or data on your own. Hilarious.
No you are not reading the linked articles. The point is that the civilian death ratio in Israel is unprecedented in modern warfare. Those are the words of the article that was linked.
Keyword ratio… again ratio. You probably know this and you’re trolling. I mean, you’re the same guy who refuses to answer about Randy fine a congressman in the USA who has said horrible things about Muslims. And you again always accuse people of antisemitism while saying nothing about anti-Muslim people.
And some of the data from these links is directly from the IDF just in case you engage in the childish claim of trying to shoot down some news organization as being “pro Hamas”
“Classified intelligence from May reveals Israel believed it had killed some 8,900 militants in its attacks on Gaza, indicating a proportion of civilian slaughter with few parallels in modern warfare, a joint investigation finds.”
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intellige...
“The Unparalleled Devastation of Gaza
Why Punishing Civilians Has Not Yielded Strategic Success“
“Gaza: civilian death toll outpaces other modern wars”
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Netanyahu simultaneously decried what he called “outrageous” claims of civilian casualty rates of up to 70%.
But Israel’s own numbers show the actual civilian casualty rate in Gaza is much higher than the figure Netanuyahu calls outrageous. It is also high compared to other conflicts. Research by the Costs of War project, which I co-founded, show that the rate of civilian casualties in American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were 68% and 26% respectively.”
It’s always the same whining from you. Posting points that have been thoroughly debunked. Like the stupid claim that “Israel is unfairly picked on” No it’s already been responded to show me any segments on CNN or Fox News where they interviewed a military official from the Russian army or the Syrian army under Assad…
CNN and Fox will interview Israeli political and military officials all the time. The same officials that are accused of committing a genocide in Gaza by scholars all over the world, including in Israel.
And You have the audacity to lie about people being antisemitic. Oh well.
Why are they even allowed to compete when Russia is banned??? . Frankly, I don’t agree with punishing athletes although there’s perhaps a lot of IDF service members in the Israeli soccer team as the country has a mandatory draft?
Either way I don’t like punishing athletes. But bottom line the international sports organizations need to do better. … either ban both Russia and Israel or let both compete.
And for the hasbara people who think they are special and somehow shouldn’t dare be compared to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Do you wanna claim that Hamas started the conflict. Nobody buys that BS.
“Hamas started this”
“ Palestinians won’t be happy until all Jews are driven into the sea”
If Palestinians lay down their arms, there would be peace, if Israelis lay down their arms, they would be slaughtered”
“ Israel is surrounded by enemies”
Even scholars in Israel refute outrageous claims like the above as the conflict goes back decades and there’s lots of people in Israel who believe their own government officials allowed October 7 to happen. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s the most monitored area in the world. And they’re trying to convince us Oh, there’s nothing to see here Just shut your mouth and accept the narrative of Netanyahu …yeah OK
If Israel was actually “surrounded by enemies”, you would see Syrian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Saudi tanks and military jets striking Tel Aviv.
Israel will not be going anywhere. It has 90 nuclear warheads. Not to mention the Abraham accords. Make no mistake whenever you hear hasbara claims IE “well if they had their way Jews would be driven into the sea” It is nothing short of propaganda meant to distract from Israel increasing its settlements and doing what it wants in Gaza.
Hasbara folks intentionally ignore the fact that Hamas has been funded by the Israeli government, that the Israeli government asked Qatar to set up an office for Hamas in Qatar for negotiations.
And now you even have Israeli citizens going on vacation to the United Arab Emirates. “ oh but the Muslims want to drive Jews into the sea.”
Why are they even allowed to compete when Russia is banned??? . Frankly, I don’t agree with punishing athletes although there’s perhaps a lot of IDF service members in the Israeli soccer team as the country has a mandatory draft? Either way I don’t like punishing athletes. But bottom line the international sports organizations need to do better. … either
You're quite wrong on this. When South Africa's sports teams were banned from international events in the 70s and 80s their players objected much as you are doing now. When apartheid was later dissolved, due in no small part to the boycott, many of the same players cam out and said they now realised it was right to boycott them.
You're quite wrong on this. When South Africa's sports teams were banned from international events in the 70s and 80s their players objected much as you are doing now. When apartheid was later dissolved, due in no small part to the boycott, many of the same players cam out and said they now realised it was right to boycott them.
Did you not read the post. It’s very straightforward. I said if FIFA bans Russia from competing, they need to do the same wrt Israel. Not sure how you came to your conclusions.
