Israel/Palestine thread

Hate? Countries? Whatever. It's probably close enough to true to say that I hate all countries - except Rojava.

1000s of Hamas people tortured in Israeli prison. IDF using illegal bombing tactics throughout the war. Many violations of unarmed people killed and people who have given up also killed.

So how do you think Israel should be punished for its war crimes?

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Ye still at levels higher than in the recent past

probably 99% of the people tortured have no affiliation with Hamas whatsoever.

lol

You really don’t know anything about the Geneva convention do you?

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I should’ve said “Hamas” guys

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grow up

So when does Biden pull war support?

I am thinking latest intentional killing of aid workers won't be the straw that breaks the camel's back. But the next time it happens might be.

Never. Don’t be naive.

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Never. Biden considers Israel to be part of the USA and integral to the ruling class. As empire crumbles it becomes more destructive cruel and murderous.

I don't think letting Netanyahu assassinate aid workers is salvageable politically.

eventually it will catch up with them. but not bc the US president cuts them lose. USA is going down with the ship.

Coders like you are helping USA #1 continue to dominate global market share and boosting GDP. I'm not sure USA is going down in our lifetime. Maybe after.

probably not.

but there is no coming back from this for Israel. the vast majority of the people in the world will know who they are and how much they love genocide.

I grew up with taught that genocide was bad. but maybe its just that the Germans werent very good at it and just got caught.

The whole “most moral army” thing was always an oxymoron

So you grew up being taught that the Muslim and European historical conquests, with associated genocides, were bad? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Our generation both were taught as neutral, or even positive. Even if you were younger and taught history in a progressive school, they maybe would say European conquests were bad, but there is no chance they would be critical of Muslim genocides. There is nothing Western progressives are more agnostic about than genocide in the name of Allah, especially if Jews or Christians were the targets.

In fact we see that in the numerous genocides taking place today by Muslim nations. Progressives couldn't care less. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

It seems you just have this ideological block where if it is Nazis or Jews, it is genocide; but for anyone else we just kind of shrug our shoulders and hand waive it away. Even the people that literally say they are Nazis, you just shrug your shoulders and say they are based.

Well, the Germans did fail. Unlike the Muslims who completely genocided, enslaved and raped entire tribes of Jews; and their Patriarch who was in charge of it all, and got his pick of the litter as far as the enslaving and raping went, is regarded as the perfect man by billions.

What are you envisioning happening when the camel's back breaks? The US demands Israel withdraw, it does so, and then what? Hamas re-asserts control of Gaza, aid and Iranian arms start flowing in that Hamas takes control of to solidify control of the territory; and Gaza just goes back to what it was, except a lot worse because the infrastructure is destroyed.

It is clear the Palestinians are completely incapable of putting their society back together in any functional way. So someone else is going to need to be in there doing it, and probably getting shot at by Hamas. How does this happen if Israel just withdraws now?

Or are we all just resigned Hamas will come back in power, and we go back to a much worse status quo?

Lol the USA is allied with the country who organized, planned and financed 9 11 ("some elite" of that country, at the very least), imaging what people can actually care about aid workers helping Hamas being killed in action lol

Muslims did something bad in like 1200 so now its ok to murder the Palestinians? it doesnt even make sense.

just like the UK empire collapsed, right?

I got no come back for that.

Checkmated my argument.

The kryptonite of the US is different than the UK collapse.

In your words, what are the likely threats to the US? If its just my team ia going to win, then i get it. But be a little specific.

Aliens, a terrible world wide disease, existential things.

civil war+ china russia invading with everyone else (internationally) standing by and watching