Israel/Palestine thread

Thinks getting maced and arrested is fun.

You seem to know a lot about the sort of people who wanted to be frat boys but were too thick.

Do you think anybody is gonna choose to live the Middle East over the US? Muslims in Israel live a better life than other Arab countries. Why do you think there is always war in these countries? It's because these people are violent and don't get along with others.

They probably do. They get to post it on their social media accounts and show people how brave they are. The reality is they probably didn't think this far ahead. It's kind of like when they broke into that building but forgot to bring food.

This is a very, very poorly framed question. I imagine that a great many people think that (i) Hamas's attack was despicable and that Hamas didn't give a **** about what the consequences would be for the Palestinian people; and (ii) Israel's response has been deliberately blunt and far beyond what was necessary to address Israel's security concerns.

How is that person supposed to answer this question?

It's frightening that you think Trump actually cares about the national interest. He doesn't. At all. Not one tiny bit.

hamas are a terrorist organisation which deliberately targets civilians for murder and rape. they are supposed to select the not hamas option

I dont think Trump cares about the national interest. But that doesn't mean Trump looking out for himself wouldn't actually make things better. I dont personally think this is the likeliest outcome, but it isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.

I mean if you really believe in trickle down economics and regulations are unnecessarily impeding progress, than you might assume Trump deregulating and cutting taxes on the rich will be a benefit (regardless of his motives in doing so).

And even if his main motive is cutting side deals with the gulf monarchies to enrich himself, Trump pushing peace between the gulf monarchies and Israel, and isolating Iran and its proxies, could be a good thing for regional stability; which is more or less what he was pushing his first term.

Trump only cares about himself I get that. He clearly would be doing more to keep this country safe from these terrorists.

And if the question were "do you support Hamas, yes or no," I have to believe the responses would be much different. How many people really are pro-Hamas?

It is of course possible that a unrepentant narcissist's personal interest could converge with the national interest as a matter of pure happenstance, but I would feel more comfortable with a president who at least recognizes the conceptual difference between the two.

dunno

but i'm told its genocidal to question the hamas* run gaza health ministry when it claims that 50,000 have been killed by the IDF (of which 60,000 are women and children), and then when someone claims there's some antisemitism going on, which by the way has been deeply embedded in western society for approx the last 2000 years, its [citation needed] time

*literally designated a terrorist organisation by just about every country worth living in

Most would say no but would be thinking yes.

I am not even sure this is true. The radical left really does buy into the idea that being a loser gives one moral authority. They really do view Hamas as having the moral high ground exactly because they are losers, completely independent of Hamas actual ideology and actions.

When of course the opposite is true. Hamas, and more generally Palestinians, are losers exactly becausee their ideologies and moral frameworks are so maladjusted for success in the modern world.

We've been down this road itt already. I'm an atheist. I'm no friend of Islamofascism. If Israel stops killing tens of thousands of people, there's just two million homeless Palestinians being oppressed by Hamas.

But Israel isn't going to liberate them. There's no counterinsurgency mission here; it's just indiscriminate shock and awe that's gonna influence blowback far more harsh than 10/7. A ceasefire just leaves idle hands to do the devil's work.

Israel isn't just being inhumane. The government is opening itself to far worse disasters for Israelis than they could imagine -- if you believe 10/7 caught them by surprise.

(I don't believe they were surprised at all, but I understand if people wanna believe that.)

Israel is in a tough spot, but they're not handling it well. A ground invasion to take out Hamas is far more efficient than indiscriminate air strikes. After that, a rebuild of what they destroyed is imperative to any chance of security. Israel is in a great spot to show the US how counterinsurgency should be handled after our failures in Afghanistan and Iraq. They're instead just opening up the doors to the next ISIS/Al-Qaida type of terror group to emerge from the rubble.

Israel would be better off nuking Gaza than what they've done. At least, then, there'd be no survivors to retaliate. This would be more insane than what they've done, but what they've done is insane and self-destructive, nonetheless.

Great reason to plunk Jews in the middle of them for no reason other than voodoo mysticism.

the idea that fighting terrorists only makes them stronger is unusual imo in that it is believed by just about everyone, repeated as obvious fact, and 100% bullshit

GTFO, they're not terrorists. They're just loud. Kids are loud.

this is the opposite of what is true.. the left believes that being the stronger means you have a moral responsibility. again pretty much no one on the left would have objected to israel hunting down all the people even tangentially involved with the attack and bringing justice. but being the stronger means you have a moral responsibility to not murder tens of thousands of innocent people wantonly and destroying their homes/schools/churches/hospitals forcefully displacing a million people who had nothing to do with it.

God bless these guy's.

Do you support the terrorists replacing the American flag with the Palestinian flag?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhhvfR43...

Straw man. I'm for taking out Hamas and I oppose a ceasefire. I'm saying that indiscriminately killing civilians creates more terrorists.

Show me the AQI and ISIS before shock and awe hit Iraq. Afghanistan was basically a lite version of North Korea before the US started bombing weddings and funerals with regularity and terrorizing full villages with night raids. There'd be no Hamas without the Israeli occupation striking existential fear into Palestinians.

I think many would say something like "I don't disparage the resistance" because, like the people who say "if you're not protesting Hamas too, you hate Jews", they have culty message discipline.

This morning for the first time in 7 months, I stopped and thought about what it means to chant:

"Ceasefire now"

and

"Intifada"

Together. That's a crazy realization when you have it.

sorry this is not true. there were calls for an unconditional ceasefire from the left before the oct 7 bodies were cold

"we are on the side of peace"