Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Do you not say that Israel or Israelis do bad things?
I don't see Likud in particular mentioned much in this thread.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza and has super majority support of its people. I don't know figures for residents of the West Bank, but I would bet that the majority of them fully support Hamas and it's goals as well.
we discussed it weeks ago, Hamas support in the west bank is far higher than in Gaza. like in the 80s in the WB, 55-60% in Gaza.
presumably that's because gazeans had to deal with Hamas daily for almost 20 years and they are bad at administrating among other things, while the policy platform that includes the genocide of the Jews is broadly liked
It is still ethnic cleansing if you give people a week's notice to leave their homes before they get bombed. It's still ethnic cleansing if you pinky swear to let them return after you've finished bombing their city. It's still ethnic cleansing if you provide them with nice happy tent encampments to stay in while their homes are being destroyed. It's still ethnic cleansing if o
it is not ethnic cleansing if you have the means to ethnic cleanse and you don't.
in Rwanda they killed 700k-1m people in 4 months, mostly with low tech weaponry. That's ethnic cleansing.
Israel could have killed more than one million gazeans in a month if they actually wanted to do ethnic cleansing.
40k people of which 10-15k actual terrorists (and an unknown number of others among them, helpers of the terrorists )is a surgical operation to kill terrorists and their enablers with minimal collateral damage given the densely inhabited urban setting.
it's a miraculously low number that shows the almost unprecedented morality of Israel in conducting this war, like the world should learn from it
this is the leader of the country which donates the most to Hamas
how can people still claim that the explicit genocide of all Israeli isn't the manifesto of Hamas, and so that everyone who supports Hamas in any way supports that, is beyond me.
At least most people here claim not to support Hamas. Some of the student protesters actually have though.
At least most people here claim not to support Hamas. Some of the student protesters actually have though.
vice prime minister of spain just went on tv to claim that palestine needs to be free from the river to the sea and Israel should cease to exist
The office of second deputy prime minister does not possess special constitutional powers beyond its responsibility as a member of the Council of Ministers. The position is regulated in the Government Act of 1997 and it only specifies that the raison d'être of the office is to replace the Prime Minister when the office is vacant, or the premier is absent or ill.[6] The second deputy prime minister only assume this responsibility if the first deputy is unable to fill the role.
vice prime minister of spain just went on tv to claim that palestine needs to be free from the river to the sea and Israel should cease to exist
Ok, and what does this have to do with my statement that there are not many Hamas supporters in this forum?
That article doesn't even say that the Spanish gal said anything about supporting Hamas.
1) some people say that without meaning the same thing that Hamas means when they say it
2) even those who share some of the goals of Hamas may not support Hamas.
Why does it seem like so many people on every side here don't seem to understand the nuance of statements made by myself and a few others?
Is it really not possible for you to think that some people who disagree with you on a particular issue don't necessarily support everything that you hate?
Well, it is actually much worse than that.
If Hamas ended tomorrow, the genocidal aspirations of millions (billions?) of Western leftists and Islamists would live on. It is not like these people would say, "ok, lets moderate on the genocidal rhetoric a little now that Hamas is gone".
Yeah for me it's even beyond that. You're talking about a group of generational hardos. Using the word "baby" is classic.
Let's look at the Israeli lineage.
Your grandfather either (I know some dudes who did 6/7):
Fought with the red army
Fought with the partisans
Survived a POW camp
Survived the holocaust in a camp
Fought in the war of independence
Had a substantial part of his family liquidated
Hid surviving on eating stuff you'd never call "food", fled, and made it to Israel only to immediately jump right back into the fire
Your father:
Was born to those parents (not an easy thing)
Served in the IDF
May have fought in '67 or '73 or one of the other conflicts
You:
Jump right back into it with a tour in Gaza or the North. Often as a reservist with a family.
lol "babies". As hard men go, you're talking some of the hardest mofos to do it. And to categorize that while believing in microaggression is amazing.
this is the leader of the country which donates the most to Hamas how can people still claim that the explicit genocide of all Israeli isn't the manifesto of Hamas, and so that everyone who supports Hamas in any way supports that, is beyond me.
Something something Iran is modern and moderate and doesn't actually want this?
Believe we've gotten that explanation a lot in here.
Most Palestinian supporters/apologists dont understand or acknowledge the bad decision making that happened in 1948. The decisions made in 1939 would really blow their mind. The British actually offered to severely limit European Jewish immigration and give the Arabs a pathway to their own state from the river to the sea, provided they could co-exist peacefully with the Jews
Imagine applying this historical lens TODAY.
Arabs have the whole of the mandate (minus the parts the Jews purchased). Jewish refugees come in fresh from Hitlers liquidation (and pogroms before that). Previous offers of 17% of the Mandate for the Jews were turned down because 83% of the Mandate was still too little for the Arabs (actually 83% of less than half the mandate since they do get Jordan) .
TODAY we'd look at that in horror and think "help these refugees they just got liquidated". 17% of Israel would have made plenty of sense if offered again in '45.
One thing i never properly understood is why the WB isn't Jordan territory, and Gaza egypt territory
Yeah for me it's even beyond that. You're talking about a group of generational hardos. Using the word "baby" is classic. Let's look at the Israeli lineage. Your grandfather either (I know some dudes who did 6/7):Fought with the red armyFought with the partisans Survived a POW campSurvived the holocaust in a campFought in the war of independenceHad a substantial part of his fam
Like 1-10% of people do fighting. Most people are doing support stuff. Sorry to break it to you. Not everyone in the military is Rambo. 99% of people are not
lol fighting
The war of independence. That’s when Israeli forces overthrew the British , started the nakba and colonized middle easterners land, is that correct?
Like 1-10% of people do fighting. Most people are doing support stuff. Sorry to break it to you. Not everyone in the military is Rambo. 99% of people are not
Still, you have to admit Israel is probably the most battle hardened nation in the world right now, given all the wars they have had to fight in the last 80 years.
I imagine there actually is some concern on our side that Russia going through the Ukraine fire may actually make it a more dangerous and competent adversary down the line, while our own edge invariably dulls due to not being in any hot wars. Although this is going to be offset by Russia's massive losses and general incompetence and disregard for human life that seem to be a hallmark of Russian militarism going back centuries.
One thing i never properly understood is why the WB isn't Jordan territory, and Gaza egypt territory
Because Israel took those lands from those countries in wars, and both nations cynically (but correctly) realized it was more effective to weaken Israel from the inside by supporting a Palestinian entity than taking the land back.
The war of independence. That’s when Israeli forces overthrew the British , started the nakba and colonized middle easterners land, is that correct?
That's when Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt. and Saudi Arabia ****ed around, and found out. They actually DID think the Jews were crybabies. That was their mistake.
Like I said, regionally you won't find bigger hardos. No choice but to get hard down there.
yes and italy, so? the overlap is more than 90%
If you want to claim that the position of those 146 countries is moral because of a "strength in numbers" thesis (what else can it be?), then check what else they share
That's when Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt. and Saudi Arabia ****ed around, and found out. They actually DID think the Jews were crybabies. That was their mistake.
Like I said, regionally you won't find bigger hardos. No choice but to get hard down there.
You're conflating Jews with Israel yet again, which isn't allowed.
