Moderation Questions for Whiners
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
please eat well and exercise, so you can be useful for society, if we ever accept the idea that people like you, legally, should only have one very specific destination .
in the meanwhile, please eat well and exercise, keep your organs healthy
Please keep your df advice to yourself. I couldn't give two squirts what you think of me, df.
If you support Dems and vote Dem and support Israel and support proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine then no, you are not leftist or appreciably left of the forum.
Gorgeous, what socialist or radical literature have you read? What current leftists shape your worldview?
I think The Colonel is going to catch a ban before he gets his horoscope done.
You are an angry man, not sure where to place the blame, so lashes out at every perceived slight. Read a book once and think you know a lot. Never met a topic you weren't an expert on or could bend to mean something no one has a clue what you are talking about. You go to bed each night confident that you have taken whatever small steps you could toward saving the world. Someone has to do it, right?
I can resemble one all you'd like, but that's just because I'm practical. I'm very much for tearing it all down and going completely socialist, complete with redistribution of wealth, all of that. I just don't think it has to be a painful process. I'm extremely anti-capitalism. I'm also an ultra-pacifist and anti-military.
I also didn't grow up American, so I have a wider view of the left-right spectrum than I think many here are attributing people who have only known American politics.
I could be wrong because these political terms in the last 10 years has been completely swapped for argumentative purposes but I don't think any of those things are some needed attribute to be considered a lefty today - which is just idiotic in its own right to even be discussing this. I half hazardly mentioned your name because liberals today seem to be firmly tribalistic in their political affiliations and opinions and tend to often be a bit more judgmental towards folks outside of that cabal. But now I'm just doing the same **** by judging you. I would also argue that you aren't anti military or even anti cap as much as you may think you are.
You have lefties, like Microbet, who is a staunch believer of individual choice who is mostly a pro capitalist, while a polar opposite self proclaimed lefty is a rabid anti cap who is willing to completely remove individual freedoms with violence to remove that system in the belief the alternative will be better. That isn't a group aligned with similar political beliefs, but instead appears to share opinions, which are often dissimilar from other lefties, but share a similar conclusion that things need to change.
I would not advise arguing with me about how anti military or anti capitalist I am. I shouldn't have to tell you only one of the two of us can even possibly know the answer to that.
I am exactly as anti military and anti capitalist as I think I am. Quite by definiton.
And you can decide to call me whatever you want on whatever spectrum you want, but I can assure you I am quite a bit to the left "liberals."
You are an angry man, not sure where to place the blame, so lashes out at every perceived slight. Read a book once and think you know a lot. Never met a topic you weren't an expert on or could bend to mean something no one has a clue what you are talking about. You go to bed each night confident that you have taken whatever small steps you could toward saving the world. Someone has to do it, right?
I an really angry at power yes. I am very laser focused on whom to give the blame though.
I know there are a lot of topics I know very little about: that's all the topics I don't touch (sports for example and a lot of other stuff).
I often met topics I didn't feel an expert about and I went with the most reasonable heuristic: everyone who uses anything to ask for more socialism is absolutely always wrong completely.
I go to bed depending on nights , my "social" sphere matters very little, the vast majority of my life efforts are about making it better for myself, my family, and my friends, and almost nothing else matters almost always.
so if I can fix a problem by daughter had in school with some ******ed communist teachers that's a win for that day, stuff like that
I don't have a good feel for you, but I'll try. You enjoy being contrary. You probably have libertarian leanings, although I don't know if you identify as libertarian. You think of yourself as someone who understands the economy and macroeconomics better than virtually all Politics regs.
You might work in finance, but I don't have a lot of conviction on that read at all. You could just be an econ major with a brokerage account, or just a guy with a brokerage account.
Yep, I approve. I don't work in finance and I'm not an econ major but I do have a degree in finance and I do have a brokerage account.
I tend to see people make rather strong economic or financial suggestions, usually through a particular poltical or ideolical framework and sometimes double down on those particular opinions to make their politcal case. I think a lot of people make claims in that area that aren't well thought out for said reasons and I'd personally like them to either explain them in more detail to either shed light that they might not know the situation at hand, or to lead them to specificy with a little more accuracy, their acatually politcal beliefs.
Luciom, dude, take a few breaths
You probably can guess because you've heard me say it before.
I sometimes have wondered whether you have edge-lordish tendencies, but I don't think so. I think you are a legitimate European right-wing extremist. (I am uninterested in debating whether you meet the dictionary definition of a fascist.) In fact, I suspect that if I travelled to some of the right-wing internet gutters that you probably frequent, I would find content from you that is far more incendiary than anything that you are willing to say here. Some of your views reflect a moral depravity that is unmatched by any other regular here. You think of yourself as a cultural chauvinist rather than a racist or a xenophobe. That might be accurate, but it leads you to many of the same places. You are quite unrealistic about what Luciomtopia would actually look like.
You aren't stupid or ignorant, but on the other hand, you also aren't the intellectual you believe yourself to be.
I tend to see people make rather strong economic or financial suggestions, usually through a particular poltical or ideolical framework and sometimes double down on those particular opinions to make their politcal case. I think a lot of people make claims in that area that aren't well thought out for said reasons and I'd personally like them to either explain them in more detail to either shed light that they might not know the situation at hand, or to lead them to specificy with a little more
I mostly agree with this.
You have lefties, like Microbet, who is a staunch believer of individual choice who is mostly a pro capitalist
Just responding on this to elaborate stuff I'm sure I've said before. I'm pro-free-enterprise. People should be able to choose what to do for the most part and that includes working, hiring, buying and selling stuff and if all parties agree, then who is anyone else to stand in the way?
But, there are other things that impact what I think is right and fair in regards to enterprise. First, there's no right to own unimproved resources like land or rivers or the air. Morally, everyone should own it all in common, but I think the good that is done by recognizing some ownership of natural resources is worth what is really a theft from everyone whenever anyone monopolizes anything that was just there with no help from any humans. But that's just a compromise and doesn't mean I respect the right to monopolize anything like an unlimited amount of natural resources. Also, Capitalism gets used to mean a lot of things. I don't think corporations are fair or right or should be respected either. The notion of a fictional entity absolving people of the responsibility for the actions of collective groups they are a part of, is not fair at all. It's another thing that may be allowed if it is clearly necessary - which it may well be - but regulating the **** out of corporations is totally something that should be done.
good point
You probably can guess because you've heard me say it before.
I sometimes have wondered whether you have edge-lordish tendencies, but I don't think so. I think you are a legitimate European right-wing extremist. (I am uninterested in debating whether you meet the dictionary definition of a fascist.) In fact, I suspect that if I travelled to some of the right-wing internet gutters that you probably frequent, I would find content from you that is far more incendiary than anything that you are
i agree I wrote stuff elsewhere (I clouding on Twitter) which would be Autoban here (mostly about race and genetics in general), but in most right-wing extremist hellholes I am actually the kind of person who gets piled one by people who are far far more extremist than me.
I got death threats discussing Brexit in 2016 (I wasn't in favor). I got death threats discussing COVID ( I was against every government limitation of freedom, many actually right-wing extremists where in favor with very violent containment).
"normal" actual extremists dont consider non-white people worthy of having ANY role at all in society in Europe, that is what I am faced with daily.
for anyone ACTUALLY right-wing (in Europe), if you aren't of European ancestry you aren't even human, you shouldn't exist, you shouldn't be allowed to enter Europe. I am not like that. I don't blame you for failing to measure extremism because you probably don't know, but actual extremism is "everyone not of European ancestry deserves death or at the very least, no place ever in our societies" . that's what I face every single day (in real life as well).
I am a moderate compared to that.
I am sad I didn't convey the whole structure of my thought so that you think my "topia" isn't something feasible and pragmatically compatible with current society with some modifications, but I do understand I might have language or intellectual barriers.
I do accept the moral depravity theme. I am willing to explicitly tell what's necessary to get what we want from the right and that entails a lot of thing that most people aren't willing to admit explicitly (even if they vote for it ). some things we need to do would cause the death and suffering of a lot of people
