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Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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by Luciom m

Reality checks In Craig world are the way you come in contact with music moral truths ie your true self IE your soul as opposed to the life you live as NPC under group identity lies

Yes. A reality check communicates, β€œYou’re not done truth seeking. You haven’t reached the good / reality yet.”

Which is why when someone experiences a reality check, they realize the message and try to make changes. Or they deny it, cling to the comfort zone, and live as an NPC.


by Bobo Fett m

Again, this makes no sense to me. I can see someone calling an action moral/morally good, but not a moral truth. Whereas this...

...makes sense. An idea can be a truth, or falsehood.

Moral Realism

The moral realist contends that there are moral facts, so moral realism is a thesis in ontology, the study of what is. The ontological category β€œmoral facts” includes both the descriptive moral judgment that is allegedly true of an individual, such as, β€œSam is morally good,” and the descriptive moral judgment that is allegedly true for all individuals such as, β€œLying for personal gain is wrong.” A signature of the latter type of moral fact is that it not only describes an enduring condition of the world but also proscribes what ought to be the case (or what ought not to be the case) in terms of an individual’s behavior.

The traditional areas of disagreement between the realist camp and the antirealist camp are cognitivism, descriptivism, moral truth, moral knowledge, and moral objectivity. The long and recalcitrant history of the realism/antirealism debate records that the focal point of the debate has been shaped and reshaped over centuries, with a third way, namely, Quasi-realism, attracting more recent attention. Quasi-realism debunks the positions of both realism and antirealism.

On the one hand, considering cognitivism, descriptivism, moral truth, moral knowledge, and moral objectivity as specifying the sufficient conditions for moral realism ignores the quasi-realist way. On the other hand, defining moral realism in a way that accommodates quasi-realism concedes too much: unlike the moral realist, the quasi-realist denies that moral facts are explanatory. Consequently, one can view quasi-realism as the contemporary heir of antirealism.

https://iep.utm.edu/moralrea/


by jalfrezi m

And a music moral truth is?

*Basic (corrector). It's like that meme of "are we the bad guys". It's the thing that clicks and tells you who you are. In Craig world model that is.


by craig1120 m

Yes. A reality check communicates, “You’re not done truth seeking. You haven’t reached the good / reality yet.”

Which is why when someone experiences a reality check, they realize the message and try to make changes. Or they deny it, cling to the comfort zone, and live as an NPC.

So a reality check can make someone come to realize a truth, but the reality check itself isn't one.

It's not like this single misuse of a word is a big problem in and of itself, but when you layer more such misuses on top of one another, you end up with a, as others have said, word salad.


by Luciom m

Reality checks In Craig world are the way you come in contact with music moral truths ie your true self IE your soul as opposed to the life you live as NPC under group identity lies

by craig1120 m

Yes. A reality check communicates, “You’re not done truth seeking. You haven’t reached the good / reality yet.”

Which is why when someone experiences a reality check, they realize the message and try to make changes. Or they deny it, cling to the comfort zone, and live as an NPC.

Are these two communicating in their own ****ing language or something? I feel like I'm watching reruns of Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.

- Where's Sonny, Skip?
- Tch tch tch
- Oh my god! Guys, Sonny fell down the well!


by Rococo m

I have read quite a bit of moral philosophy over the decades. The Platonic dialogues primarily concern moral philosophy. They are quite easy to follow, even if Plato's actual beliefs are sometimes difficult to pin down.

Abstraction, vagueness, and muddiness are not inherent to the field.

They weren't historically up to Hegel then it's GG no re word salad galore increasing exponentially.

Ofc even after Hegel there are people who talk straight but... If you are single in a university city you get more access to sex if you can fake an understanding of Craig-speech than if your income goes 10x


by d2_e4 m

Are these two communicating in their own ****ing language or something? I feel like I'm watching reruns of Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.

As I said I know the slang. It works both to talk with IDW left leaning people (and some very smart people are, or were, in that corner recently), and with 120-130 IQ humanity studying decent girls who want "deep conversations"


by Luciom m

As I said I know the slang. It works both to talk with IDW left leaning people (and some very smart people are, or were, in that corner recently), and with 120-130 IQ humanity studying decent girls who want "deep conversations"

Definitely gonna call the 120-130 IQ part there. Maybe they think they have a 120-130 IQ.


by d2_e4 m

Definitely gonna call the 120-130 IQ part there. Maybe they think they have a 120-130 IQ.

I understand you live in a world where wordcelling is a moral horror and I kinda can get why you think that and you are more right than wrong, still in order to spend years wordcelling you need pretty high (not monstrous) IQ. Top of the midwits range, within 2 sigma


by Luciom m

I understand you live in a world where wordcelling is a moral horror and I kinda can get why you think that and you are more right than wrong, still in order to spend years wordcelling you need pretty high (not monstrous) IQ. Top of the midwits range, within 2 sigma

Ironically enough, I have no idea what "wordcelling" is, although I suspect from context it's what you're actually doing by using that word in the first place.


by Bobo Fett m

So a reality check can make someone come to realize a truth, but the reality check itself isn't one.

It's not like this single misuse of a word is a big problem in and of itself, but when you layer more such misuses on top of one another, you end up with a, as others have said, word salad.

Truth - that which brings you more in accordance with reality / the good. Does a reality check do this? Yes.


by Luciom m

They weren't historically up to Hegel then it's GG no re word salad galore increasing exponentially.

Ofc even after Hegel there are people who talk straight but... If you are single in a university city you get more access to sex if you can fake an understanding of Craig-speech than if your income goes 10x

You live in an area where talking like craig is the key to getting laid?


by d2_e4 m

Ironically enough, I have no idea what "wordcelling" is, although I suspect from context it's what you're actually doing by using that word in the first place.

Hm no. You are just out of the loop of smart+ass Twitter discourse.

Wordcels v rotators, another way to farm "humanist intelligence vs stem intelligence"


craig: get a blog
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/226/h...

post whatever vague philosophical nonsense you want there, knock yourself out


by Rococo m

You live in an area where talking like craig is the key to getting laid?

Craig's spare room.


by Rococo m

You live in an area where talking like craig is the key to getting laid?

It was when I was single yes. Not the only way ofc, but a very good way if you are smart, don't like clubbing too much, and like smart girls so you arent in just for the sex you enjoy the mental strongarming.

Bologna, 400k residents + 80/90k students. No campus, students spread all around the city center. 7/7 nightlife up to 3-4 am in walkable historical areas.

Think Oxford proportion-wise, something like this, but bigger.


by Luciom m

Hm no. You are just out of the loop of smart+ass Twitter discourse.

Wordcels v rotators, another way to farm "humanist intelligence vs stem intelligence"

except it's from 4chan, which is fitting for you


by d2_e4 m

Are these two communicating in their own ****ing language or something?

I don't know, but I think I am done.

I have limited enthusiasm for discussions where I have to probe endlessly to try and understand what other people are saying.


by Luciom m

It was when I was single yes. Not the only way ofc, but a very good way if you are smart, don't like clubbing too much, and like smart girls so you arent in just for the sex you enjoy the mental strongarming.Bologna, 400k residents + 80/90k students. No campus, students spread all around the city center. 7/7 nightlife up to 3-4 am in walkable historical areas.Think Oxford propo

They must not be too smart if they mistake craigspeak for profundity.


by Rococo m

They must not be too smart if they mistake craigspeak for profundity.

it isn't as bad as you think tbh


by weeeez m

except it's from 4chan, which is fitting for you

Sounds like "wordcelling" and "incelling" might be the same thing, then.


by weeeez m

except it's from 4chan, which is fitting for you

not it is from roon on twitter , here he explains the genesis.

but you are a completely bad faith interlocutor so I don't expect you to admit you don't have the ****ing idea what we are talking about


Alarming and depressing. At least I understand the reaction to my thread better now. I’m out.


by Luciom m

it isn't as bad as you think tbh

It's ****ing horrific. You might as well take the notion that the primary purpose of language is efficient communication, lead it gently behind the barn and shoot it straight between the eyes.


by Luciom m

not it is from roon on twitter , here he explains the genesis.

but you are a completely bad faith interlocutor so I don't expect you to admit you don't have the ****ing idea what we are talking about

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