Moderation Questions

FYP.

Noted.

We just don't need multiple threads on the same subject. In other subforums the mods usually combine them into one.

I understand that the word "Trump" appearing in both titles is very disorienting and confusing, but they are in fact on separate (albeit related) subjects.

As a long time connoisseur of Victor's posting, I have a slightly different take: Victor doesn't actually have a tangible world view that makes sense. Rather, his style is extreme contrarianism. Some may think that he does so in order to ruffle feathers, but I think it is more of an "I am so different and special, so nobody understands me" kind of thing. A couple days ago somebody posted about Bernie and AOC, politicians that you would think he would have at least some affinity with, and of course he posted that he hated both of them. There are no possible candidates in this country that would make him happy, and that is because he doesn't actually want to be happy. In his mind it is preferable to be the unhappy loner that everybody kicks around.

A few years ago, my interactions with Victor were all marked by unpleasantness. Nowadays I read his posts with more fascination than hostility, even though I doubt he has ever posted anything with which I could remotely agree. What once made this place interesting was getting to know people's personalities through their posts, and Victor is one of the last posters around that has really put himself out there for the world to see.

I have no doubt that Victor himself is an empty vessel with no coherent world view to speak of, but the nonsense he spouts here is mostly either cribbed from or at the very least inspired by some dank corner of the far left Twitter derposphere where he goes to mainline his propaganda, so I'm taking him as their representative here.

I support human rights and freedom. I oppose oppression, slavery, and theft. so to be coherent in this world view, yes ofc this is correct:

I will just say that I am far from alone in my worldview.

and further, not to make this thread about myself, Im not sure why anyone would look to politics, and in particular USA/Western electoral politics, to find happiness.

I didn’t want the lack of response to the squeaking wheels to be viewed as a consensus on moderation.

Just to mention we used to discuss sam harris a lot in the old days so i'm familiar with him. I listened to a fair bit and nothing suprising. He makes the point which is correct that it influenced musk a lot and musk has lots of influence. That's a very contingent fact though and even that could have gone the other way. Otherwise it's way OTT bias on an issue that he cares about a lot.

He doesn't (unless it comes later) mention the main reason which is that people are increasingly dissatisfied with how things are but arent really sure why. Trump offered change and the democrats offered nothing. That is in 'our' control and it's going to cost us everything if we dont address it. The post war status quo is gone and it aint coming back. Something is going to replace it and the far right is the only game in town.

I accept that in a very narrow sense a close election might have been lost because of small factors. But winning as biden did and Obama did is just a bit of time. We're watching the tide come in and reveling in complacency when it goes the other way for a bit before we drown.

And some sub forums use containment for their multiple conspiracy theorists.

That's a fair rebuttal, but the numbers are on his side. The swing voters did say it was the issue that "swung" them most, those stats have been posted here as well.

That sounds lofty and exalted in theory. In practice it means you stan for regimes that are far worse on every single one of those metrics than the regimes you despise.

The subjects aren't followed though. For example in the "Trump 2nd prediction threads" there are many different topics spoken about, it's not just predictions. The titles are different but the content in each one is the same. And this isn't your forum, so the decision isn't up to you.

This is a discussion thread. You might have not noticed, but lots of people who are not mods give their opinions on moderation issues here, so the fact it's not my decision is irelevant.

The threads have their own topics. Sometimes they veer away from the strict topic they were intended for. It's called "natural conversation".

objectively false if lives are valued remotely close to equally. but the West is a White Supremacist society so anyone properly propagandized will not value them equally. that includes myself ofc but at least I recognize it somewhat.

Those numbers dont contradict anything though. It's a fallacy to think they do because they have to be compared with the numbers if the election had been more about policies with the left offering radical change.

What? The swing voters literally said "the biggest reason why I voted Trump is because of identity politics stuff" ( or however it was phrased). I don't understand your rebuttal.

Exactly, I'm glad you can finally see that. Since they're both natural conversations about President Trump, we should close "Trump 2nd prediction threads" and change the name of ex President Trump back to President Trump.

Lol.

They are not. One is a conversation about Trump. One is a conversation about predictions of what will happen over the next 4 years. There is, of course, some natural overlap in these topics. Hope that helps.

Their answer would have been different if the election had been faught on policy and radical chnage from the left.

Very different imo. So different that it's easily the biggest factor.

What radical change? Identity politics didn't work so more identity politics is better?

Harris proposed student debt cancellation, free money if you want to buy a house, higher subsidies for health care insurance, taxing the unrealized capital gains of billionaires, price controls against inflation caused by "gouging".

And swing voters in swing states answered "whatever, we don't like trans stuff"

I think the fact that you can only think that radical left wing (or progresive) policies as identity ones proves the point.

They're not something that can be tacked on. The left (or progresives) need to build a platform, argue on it and fight elections on it.

I'm not sure UKer like me is the one to define the platform but there needs to be one.

Victor might be a super rare anomaly in the USA (a grown adult with the worldview of young extremists) but they are so common in Italy I think I get his take pretty well.

He is just completely against first world capitalism and everything associated with it