Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
I drove through New Jersey once.
It was bad.
on mute so don't know anything about the commentary listed (could be a raging lunatic for all know) but included this for the video content
this is camden
bruh it was just video of the place so readers have context
wtf, were you expecting me to post a snuff film?
on mute so don't know anything about the commentary listed (could be a raging lunatic for all know) but included this for the video contentthis is camden
What I saw was far worse in the late 90's. We were there around dusk so it was scary. My mom was crying in the back seat. We were fortunate to figure out how to get out of there before the sun went down.
There's a big difference between being a coward and using common sense. For those who would have lunch in down town Camden I would suggest you check your ego before you get hurt.
I said you pick the place, but I take that back. I want to go here:
I said you pick the place, but I take that back. I want to go here:
That looks delicious. Just make sure you get out of there before dark.
I said you pick the place, but I take that back. I want to go here:
We're changing the country you'll need to pick a restaurant in Mogadishu.
as someone who spent a year working at an office in the ghetto in DC because we got free rent because the landlord didn't want it becoming a crack house (which is what would have happened if it were vacant) i can say with a lot of confidence that the people here lampooning the idea of america having dangerous neighborhoods that are best avoided whenever possible is either pure ignorance based on how they think it should be in their utopian dream rather than how it actually is
that or they just actively gaslighting in order to virtue signal
even apartment hunting in nyc while staying with liberals on the UES who are die hard kamala supporters who organized fund raisers for her were practical enough to tell me which neighborhoods I was considering renting in because it was cheap were bad ideas for me to live in certain neighborhoods because they live there and must accept the reality of the situation as well as care about me so show concern when I start telling them about a sweet deal I see online that's at 113th and thinking that proximity to central park means it's a good location
but of course, why let reality get in the way of taking any opportunity to call someone a racist amirite
this is exactly why the left is getting crushed, the centrists are sick and tired of the gaslighting and hysterics that not only refuse to acknowledge actual real world problems but then insult those who bring it up
mong was probably fine, his mother was likely needlessly worried, but camden is not a place you'd like to visit and mb may want to do a google search of the area and see all the boarded up windows on the buildings right next to that restaurant but of course why would he do that when he has a chance to virtue signal instead
Like most people, I've been in neighborhoods both inside and outside the United States where I did not feel entirely safe (or would not have felt entirely safe late at night). Oddly enough, one of them was a neighborhood in Camden about 25 years ago.
On the flip side, the overwhelming majority of urban neighborhoods are not particularly dangerous, and even the ones that seem sketchy are not nearly as dangerous as the right wing derposphere would like you to believe.
Part of what makes cities fun of course is that they can be a little dangerous
as someone who spent a year working at an office in the ghetto in DC because we got free rent because the landlord didn't want it becoming a crack house (which is what would have happened if it were vacant) i can say with a lot of confidence that the people here lampooning the idea of america having dangerous neighborhoods that are best avoided whenever possible is either pure
I worked in all the poorest neighborhoods of Los Angeles, like Watts, Compton etc from 1988-1997 (the peak crime years) often when I was working in affordable housing and then sometimes as a contractor later. I put solar on several habitat for humanity houses in Watts. I also lived near downtown Oakland - 33rd and Adeline for a time in the 80s. I was in these areas at least 1000 times.
Not ignorance or utopian dreams. Existing in these areas was never anywhere near as dangerous as other stuff I've done, like ride a motorcycle or work on roofs. Old ladies and little children walk around these neighborhoods all the time and, aside from a few isolated incidents, people don't just mob you because you're white - they didn't back then and they certainly don't now when things are much much better.
I mean ****, rick, mongidig would have people believe that it was literally impossible that you worked in a black neighborhood in DC for a year and survived.
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this is exactly why the left is getting crushed, the centrists are sick and tired of the gaslighting and hysterics that not only refuse to acknowledge actual real world problems but then insult those who bring it up
No, the right has won because people scare themselves silly passing around videos a crazy dude in the Tenderloin. Try telling people that crime is much lower now than it was 30 years ago. It undeniably is, but people will think you are insane, because they have bought all the fear that the right wing cowards could monger.
A lot of white people are freaked out when they are in a neighborhood and almost no one is white, especially if everyone they see is black. But, you know the black people aren't freaked out. They've all seen white people and in their neighborhood. Almost every neighborhood that was almost all black had a few white people living there and they all had some white people working there. You were shocked, but it was just Tuesday for the people living there.
I worked in all the poorest neighborhoods of Los Angeles, like Watts, Compton etc from 1988-1997 (the peak crime years) often when I was working in affordable housing and then sometimes as a contractor later. I put solar on several habitat for humanity houses in Watts. I also lived near downtown Oakland - 33rd and Adeline for a time in the 80s. I was in these areas at least
great so you know it exists then
I mean ****, rick, mongidig would have people believe that it was literally impossible that you worked in a black neighborhood in DC for a year and survived.
and yes, i said that myself, he was definitely over reacting, but the essence of his statement is nonetheless accurate
the responses were far more ridiculous than his original post - you could have been the better person there and just said "c'mon now that's a bit overstating it isn't it?" and left it at that - instead you attacked the notion of his concept that camden was more dangerous than other places by a significant degree which is just bonkers and even worse did it by framing it as only possibly being sourced in racism
I didn't say Camden wasn't more dangerous than other places. It still wasn't anywhere near as dangerous as he thought.
Why wasn't I nice? I dislike him.
great so you know it exists thenand yes, i said that myself, he was definitely over reacting, but the essence of his statement is nonetheless accuratethe responses were far more ridiculous than his original post - you could have been the better person there and just said "c'mon now that's a bit overstating it isn't it?" and left it at that - instead you attacked the notion of h
It obviously is racism because the analogy for immigrants that he naturally jumps to is with wild animals.
Like most people, I've been in neighborhoods both inside and outside the United States where I did not feel entirely safe (or would not have felt entirely safe late at night). Oddly enough, one of them was a neighborhood in Camden about 25 years ago. On the flip side, the overwhelming majority of urban neighborhoods are not particularly dangerous,
there is something that changed objectively vs the past (especially in Europe).
the fact that we now know how it would be with no immigration (ie we know the counterfactual) and an aging society.
we know violent crime would be close to 0, to the point of law enforcement having nothing to do the vast majority of the time, and the reason we know that is called Japan.
so even while it is true that crime overall is going down, fact is it should have crushed to basically 0 every where (in Europe).
it's almost like every instance of violent street crime or degradation is acquired because of immigration, we would be close to perfect if we had no immigration in the last 30-40 years.
I know in the USA it's different because it's not aging near as much, but the right "derposphere" talking about urban crime at least in my feeds exclusively talks about Europe.
for the USA what the right shows is the devastation of homeless encampments and drug abusers in the streets but aside from the spike in crime caused by BLM /defund the police for 2y, last 18 months I haven't seen almost any "urban crime is insane" posts for the USA
