Moderation Questions for Whiners
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Why would I do that?
My family got lost in downtown Camden about 25 years ago. It was a bad situation. I walked into a convenience store to get directions back to the freeway. The guy behind the counter told me I shouldn't here. Everybody in the store stopped and stared at me. Later at my Aunts home we were visiting, nobody believed we were lost in Camden and made it out alive. I later found out Camden was the murder capital of the US. It's gotten a lot better since then but no way I'm going bac
I'm not tough, you're just a coward.
I drove through New Jersey once.
It was bad.
on mute so don't know anything about the commentary listed (could be a raging lunatic for all know) but included this for the video content
this is camden
bruh it was just video of the place so readers have context
wtf, were you expecting me to post a snuff film?
on mute so don't know anything about the commentary listed (could be a raging lunatic for all know) but included this for the video content
this is camden
What I saw was far worse in the late 90's. We were there around dusk so it was scary. My mom was crying in the back seat. We were fortunate to figure out how to get out of there before the sun went down.
There's a big difference between being a coward and using common sense. For those who would have lunch in down town Camden I would suggest you check your ego before you get hurt.
I said you pick the place, but I take that back. I want to go here:
I said you pick the place, but I take that back. I want to go here:
That looks delicious. Just make sure you get out of there before dark.
I said you pick the place, but I take that back. I want to go here:
We're changing the country you'll need to pick a restaurant in Mogadishu.
as someone who spent a year working at an office in the ghetto in DC because we got free rent because the landlord didn't want it becoming a crack house (which is what would have happened if it were vacant) i can say with a lot of confidence that the people here lampooning the idea of america having dangerous neighborhoods that are best avoided whenever possible is either pure ignorance based on how they think it should be in their utopian dream rather than how it actually is
that or they just actively gaslighting in order to virtue signal
even apartment hunting in nyc while staying with liberals on the UES who are die hard kamala supporters who organized fund raisers for her were practical enough to tell me which neighborhoods I was considering renting in because it was cheap were bad ideas for me to live in certain neighborhoods because they live there and must accept the reality of the situation as well as care about me so show concern when I start telling them about a sweet deal I see online that's at 113th and thinking that proximity to central park means it's a good location
but of course, why let reality get in the way of taking any opportunity to call someone a racist amirite
this is exactly why the left is getting crushed, the centrists are sick and tired of the gaslighting and hysterics that not only refuse to acknowledge actual real world problems but then insult those who bring it up
mong was probably fine, his mother was likely needlessly worried, but camden is not a place you'd like to visit and mb may want to do a google search of the area and see all the boarded up windows on the buildings right next to that restaurant but of course why would he do that when he has a chance to virtue signal instead
Like most people, I've been in neighborhoods both inside and outside the United States where I did not feel entirely safe (or would not have felt entirely safe late at night). Oddly enough, one of them was a neighborhood in Camden about 25 years ago.
On the flip side, the overwhelming majority of urban neighborhoods are not particularly dangerous, and even the ones that seem sketchy are not nearly as dangerous as the right wing derposphere would like you to believe.
Part of what makes cities fun of course is that they can be a little dangerous
as someone who spent a year working at an office in the ghetto in DC because we got free rent because the landlord didn't want it becoming a crack house (which is what would have happened if it were vacant) i can say with a lot of confidence that the people here lampooning the idea of america having dangerous neighborhoods that are best avoided whenever possible is either pure ignorance based on how they think it should be in their utopian dream rather than how it actually is
I worked in all the poorest neighborhoods of Los Angeles, like Watts, Compton etc from 1988-1997 (the peak crime years) often when I was working in affordable housing and then sometimes as a contractor later. I put solar on several habitat for humanity houses in Watts. I also lived near downtown Oakland - 33rd and Adeline for a time in the 80s. I was in these areas at least 1000 times.
Not ignorance or utopian dreams. Existing in these areas was never anywhere near as dangerous as other stuff I've done, like ride a motorcycle or work on roofs. Old ladies and little children walk around these neighborhoods all the time and, aside from a few isolated incidents, people don't just mob you because you're white - they didn't back then and they certainly don't now when things are much much better.
I mean ****, rick, mongidig would have people believe that it was literally impossible that you worked in a black neighborhood in DC for a year and survived.
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this is exactly why the left is getting crushed, the centrists are sick and tired of the gaslighting and hysterics that not only refuse to acknowledge actual real world problems but then insult those who bring it up
No, the right has won because people scare themselves silly passing around videos a crazy dude in the Tenderloin. Try telling people that crime is much lower now than it was 30 years ago. It undeniably is, but people will think you are insane, because they have bought all the fear that the right wing cowards could monger.
A lot of white people are freaked out when they are in a neighborhood and almost no one is white, especially if everyone they see is black. But, you know the black people aren't freaked out. They've all seen white people and in their neighborhood. Almost every neighborhood that was almost all black had a few white people living there and they all had some white people working there. You were shocked, but it was just Tuesday for the people living there.
I worked in all the poorest neighborhoods of Los Angeles, like Watts, Compton etc from 1988-1997 (the peak crime years) often when I was working in affordable housing and then sometimes as a contractor later. I put solar on several habitat for humanity houses in Watts. I also lived near downtown Oakland - 33rd and Adeline for a time in the 80s. I was in these areas at least 1000 times.
Not ignorance or utopian dreams. Existing in these areas was never anywhere near as dangerous as other stuff
great so you know it exists then
I mean ****, rick, mongidig would have people believe that it was literally impossible that you worked in a black neighborhood in DC for a year and survived.
and yes, i said that myself, he was definitely over reacting, but the essence of his statement is nonetheless accurate
the responses were far more ridiculous than his original post - you could have been the better person there and just said "c'mon now that's a bit overstating it isn't it?" and left it at that - instead you attacked the notion of his concept that camden was more dangerous than other places by a significant degree which is just bonkers and even worse did it by framing it as only possibly being sourced in racism
I didn't say Camden wasn't more dangerous than other places. It still wasn't anywhere near as dangerous as he thought.
Why wasn't I nice? I dislike him.
great so you know it exists then
and yes, i said that myself, he was definitely over reacting, but the essence of his statement is nonetheless accurate
the responses were far more ridiculous than his original post - you could have been the better person there and just said "c'mon now that's a bit overstating it isn't it?" and left it at that - instead you attacked the notion of his concept that camden was more dangerous than other places by a significant degree which is just bonkers and even worse
It obviously is racism because the analogy for immigrants that he naturally jumps to is with wild animals.
