Moderation Questions for Whiners
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Like most people, I've been in neighborhoods both inside and outside the United States where I did not feel entirely safe (or would not have felt entirely safe late at night). Oddly enough, one of them was a neighborhood in Camden about 25 years ago.
On the flip side, the overwhelming majority of urban neighborhoods are not particularly dangerous, and even the ones that seem sketchy are not nearly as dangerous as the right wing derposphere would like you to believe.
there is something that changed objectively vs the past (especially in Europe).
the fact that we now know how it would be with no immigration (ie we know the counterfactual) and an aging society.
we know violent crime would be close to 0, to the point of law enforcement having nothing to do the vast majority of the time, and the reason we know that is called Japan.
so even while it is true that crime overall is going down, fact is it should have crushed to basically 0 every where (in Europe).
it's almost like every instance of violent street crime or degradation is acquired because of immigration, we would be close to perfect if we had no immigration in the last 30-40 years.
I know in the USA it's different because it's not aging near as much, but the right "derposphere" talking about urban crime at least in my feeds exclusively talks about Europe.
for the USA what the right shows is the devastation of homeless encampments and drug abusers in the streets but aside from the spike in crime caused by BLM /defund the police for 2y, last 18 months I haven't seen almost any "urban crime is insane" posts for the USA
Why would I do that?
My family got lost in downtown Camden about 25 years ago. It was a bad situation. I walked into a convenience store to get directions back to the freeway. The guy behind the counter told me I shouldn't here. Everybody in the store stopped and stared at me. Later at my Aunts home we were visiting, nobody believed we were lost in Camden and made it out alive. I later found out Camden was the murder capital of the US. It's gotten a lot better since then but no way I'm going bac
Murder capital means they have 60 murders a year for a population of a little less than 75,000 plus all the commuters and workers that come into the city. So the ten minutes you spent there lost divided by the number of murders x the number of minutes in a year x the population statistically = that you are a pussy for thinking you would be murdered there.
I'd just like to say that in the late 80s I often went to Harlem, the South Bronx, and Bed-Stuy (among other places in NY/NJ) for work. Never felt unsafe.
I have most certainly spent more time in poor urban neighborhoods feeling unsafe than actually being unsafe.
I have most certainly spent more time in poor urban neighborhoods feeling unsafe than actually being unsafe.
we are men, supposedly not even disabled ones. I felt fairly secure in favelas.
An *actually safe* neighborhood is one in which 10y girls can walk to school alone and in 100 such neighboorhoods in a year not a single one of them is harassed by anyone.
Actually safe is like actual 0 problems for the weakest in society even if they walk every day of the year, for their whole life.
Like you know, in Japan.
An *actually safe* place is a place where the most risk averse people in society can't even come up with the idea of a risk. Where the totality of the population feels *perfect* safety-wise.
Where you don't have a single article in local newspapers in 20 years about anything from people pissing in the open, anyone doing graffiti, cars being stolen, windows being broken. Where you can leave your actual front door open and there is 0% chance anything bad would come out of it.
You can't even comprehend *actual safety* like small towns in the alps, appennines or other remote center-north areas had in Italy pre-immigration
I have most certainly spent more time in poor urban neighborhoods feeling unsafe than actually being unsafe.
This was my point. Most people's perception of safety isn't based on statistics or personally being a victim of a crime in a particular area. It's based on how they felt when they got lost in a particular area or whatever. That feeling is the product of a lot of factors, some legitimate, some not.
It's also based on cultural context. Seven or eight years ago, I was driving alone at night in a country that is poorer than most and has more crime than most. My phone GPS wasn't working great, so I rolled down my window to ask a guy for directions. Rather than give me directions, he just opened the door and got in my car. He was older than me, probably late 50s. He started directing me off the main road onto a road that had no lights at all. I definitely had some concerns that he was driving me to his cousin's house or whatever to get robbed. That's because I grew up in the U.S. If someone gets in your car in the U.S. without asking, it is usually a dangerous situation. As it turns out, this guy just wanted a ride home. After I dropped him off at his house, he gave me proper directions to where I was going.
FWIW, I am not entirely devaluing the goal of making people "feel" safe, even if a particular measure has minimal impact on crime. For example, I think that maintaining public spaces is important. In NYC, the city spends more money maintaining wealthy neighborhoods than it does maintaining poor neighborhoods, which is bullshit. Fix the sidewalks. Fix the playground equipment. Don't ignore sanitation in a public park just because it is a poor area. Don't let the subway station in a poor neighborhood go to hell. Those things matter.
we are men, supposedly not even disabled ones. I felt fairly secure in favelas.
An *actually safe* neighborhood is one in which 10y girls can walk to school alone and in 100 such neighboorhoods in a year not a single one of them is harassed by anyone.
Actually safe is like actual 0 problems for the weakest in society even if they walk every day of the year, for their whole life.
Like you know, in Japan.
An *actually safe* place is a place where the most risk averse people in society can't even come
This place you are describing does not exist.
It existed in the appennines in several remote towns until very recently.
At least those without train access, because working immigrants need that.
Then we got the zillions of "boat people" from 2014 on and they got "redistributed" everywhere destroying those places (our leftist parties really thought that would increase integration chances).
Town of 400 souls where everyone has known everyone else since forever, where people from the city are already considered quirky aliens because they can't cut their own wood, you put 20 18-25y old "asylum seekers" there with absolutely nothing to do, you destroy it for good.
Even if 18-24 months later the asylum seekers get refused asylum you are done, people are scarred forever.
No one plans to vacation there anymore (the niche of people who wanted that kind of vacation don't want any risk for their kids), they don't keep their houses they inherited in order, the very fragile equilibrium is gone for good, you assassinated paradise and it doesn't regrow.
there is something that changed objectively vs the past (especially in Europe).
the fact that we now know how it would be with no immigration (ie we know the counterfactual) and an aging society.
we know violent crime would be close to 0, to the point of law enforcement having nothing to do the vast majority of the time, and the reason we know that is called Japan.
Utter garbage. Lack of immigration isn't the only difference between Japan and other societies.
Utter garbage. Lack of immigration isn't the only difference between Japan and other societies.
Totally safe unless you're a woman who doesn't like being molested in public.
In Luciom's ideal society sexual assaults don't count as crimes.
Side question, does anyone here ever click on the random YouTube videos know partisan posters post? Maybe 10 years ago I clicked a few and they were always heavily biased crap that was basically confirmation bias for their idiotic views. I'm guessing that hasn't changed much since but was wondering.
random, no summary links/videos have been a problem. Those posts get deleted.... yet like the spam they are, they keep popping back up.
Side question, does anyone here ever click on the random YouTube videos know partisan posters post? Maybe 10 years ago I clicked a few and they were always heavily biased crap that was basically confirmation bias for their idiotic views. I'm guessing that hasn't changed much since but was wondering.
I click on most of PB's links, especially if they're rumble.
Side question, does anyone here ever click on the random YouTube videos know partisan posters post? Maybe 10 years ago I clicked a few and they were always heavily biased crap that was basically confirmation bias for their idiotic views. I'm guessing that hasn't changed much since but was wondering.
Almost never. Like maybe 1 out of every 500.
He started directing me off the main road onto a road that had no lights at all. I definitely had some concerns that he was driving me to his cousin's house or whatever to get robbed.
i know this feeling all too well where the most plausible explanation is they want to do you harm but it turns out to be benign and lost in culture
however, when this happens in morrocco this is always a mugging or murder
Utter garbage. Lack of immigration isn't the only difference between Japan and other societies.
Demographic pyramid of natives is identical to Italy.
We had the same mafia role in society (great decades ago, decaying with time).
Same mono party rule for decades.
Same centralized government splurging into other areas depending on the political calculus.
The similarities with Japan for Italy are exceptional, up and until immigration of third world inhabitants happened
Side question, does anyone here ever click on the random YouTube videos know partisan posters post? Maybe 10 years ago I clicked a few and they were always heavily biased crap that was basically confirmation bias for their idiotic views. I'm guessing that hasn't changed much since but was wondering.
Never , especially because I find videos to usually be horrible as a tool to convey actual information, unless we are talking the rare case where visuals are needed to understand a situation (say, recently, wildfire extent of damage)
Thanks for the replies all. I think it has to do with the 9/11 conspiracy videos and how lol they were.
Demographic pyramid of natives is identical to Italy.
We had the same mafia role in society (great decades ago, decaying with time).
Same mono party rule for decades.
Same centralized government splurging into other areas depending on the political calculus.
The similarities with Japan for Italy are exceptional, up and until immigration of third world inhabitants happened
You're Northern Italian, right? So far North you're practically Austrian?
No not Austrian. I am from Bologna. Mid route between Florence and Venice.
4 hours by car (3 if you push it) for the border north. 6-7 hours by train to get to Wien.
Where I just got gifted (today is my bday) the best thing ever.
1st of Jan concert slot which I desired basically all my adult life.
I am like shaking rn tbh
