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I wouldn’t expect childless ****s to understand

I’ve never really had any respect for you but I’ve lost a good bit for VR with these revelations

That's the claim sometimes but what they ended up doing was damaging most school age children a lot to fail to save elders lives.

Covid was definitely a legitimate problem and trying to find the happy medium between two points of the spectrum for everyone is going to be an impossible nightmare.

But I really don't think people realize just how ****ed up a lot of people have become since then. The mental health systems maxing out, the drugs, alcohol, anxiety, social issues, the masochism, hatred for others, kids falling literally years behind, the isolation, the increase in addiction to SM, people on these forums and other forums have clearly adopted some serious struggles. And a portion of those problems will linger with them for their entire lives.

Can we at least agree that the happy medium has to be decided democratically BEFORE THE EMERGENCY and absolutely no rashed decision uprooting normal life should be allowed during the emergency itself? like that's the literal worst moment possible to make life altering decisions.

It can be ok to have a transparent, democratically approved plan to deal with those emergencies, that can compress some freedoms within specific limits agreed upon before and so on. But it cannot be allowed to let panic take charge.

And we kinda DID HAVE PLANS for diseases much worse than covid. We did have plan for airborne diseases with up to 2% lethality (like the spanish flu a century before was).

And the ethics of several freedom restrictions were discussed ad nauseam in literature before the epidemic came. And a lot of what politicians ended up doing was universally and uncontroversially considered absolutely insane in literature itself.

That's what broke down, our "experts" supported actual pseudo science insanity that the previous decades of research and discussion had completly ruled out as either inefficacious or so abhorrently unethical as to be avoided.

You keep talking like the "happy medium" . Here in this forum you have a person claiming she stopped talking with her father, because her premature child was at risk of covid and her father disregarded that risk.

A premature child is at risk from a zillion risk factors, and the addition of covid to that is so insignificant, so meaningless, so irrelevant given all the other cumulated risk the rational approach was to not give a **** at all about covid in particular as a parent of a premature child. Precautions which would have made sense regardless of covid had to be taken, and that was that covid or not.

It is obvious, it should be obvious to anyone with normal intelligence and education, completly uncontroversial, and yet a highly intelligence and highly educated person fell for a completly absurd take that made her destroy a crucial family relationship.

I am not sure what the solution is to deal with educated and intelligent people losing it all completly, panicking so utterly over such an irrelevant increase in risk as to change their life completly.

But i am sure that whatever the solution is , it requires starting from the idea that people can completly lose their rational capabilities at the tinest emergence of actual danger.

And that given we should at this point expect it to happen systematically, no change of course , no new decision should be allowed during the emergency itself.

The moment to decide about NPIs, vaccine mandates and all that stuff is now, and the decision must be legally binding during the emergency itself and the system has to make it illegal to change those determinations during the emergency itself.

I'm curious what crimes VR is guilty of exactly? Having me as a roommate? She's vaccinated and did everything mainstream media told people to do.

The same mainstream media that kept telling us that 'Joe Biden is as sharp as a tack?.'

Yes them. The same people who are still telling us there's no genocide in Gaza and it was all the fault of the voters that Harris wasn't elected.

There is no genocide in Gaza.

Even with MSM telling us that I think 100% of people out there knew he was in bad bad shape and yet half this country would have voted for him again. These are the nut bags we are dealing with.

What does this mean? Do you want a list of names?

There are people who never got it in likely most countries, including the US and Canada.

This just isn't true. And getting covid isn't just boolean. Getting it once when you're vaccinated or protected in some way (even masking can reduce viral load you are exposed to and can have a significant effect on severity of infection) is far better than getting it multiple times a year. Throwing your hands up and saying well everyone's going to get it anyway is a terrible idea.

This is simply a horrifically ignorant stance.

Good god, no. Newborns are extremely vulnerable.

I don't think you will find anyone here who was in support of Joe doing another term before the debate but certainly not after

Is your point that you shouldn't care about the spread of disease if you believe in evolution? That isn't exactly intuitive.

I did not take extraordinary steps (by the standards of the time) to avoid getting COVID or spreading COVID. I did the basic stuff. I wore a mask in stores, etc., during the period when doing so was the prevailing advice and practice. I got the vaccine when it was available. I certainly wasn't hiding in my home or wiping down my groceries with disinfectant. In the event of another pandemic, I would need a lot of persuading before I supported lengthy lockdowns and school closures.

That said, it wasn't nothing. I certainly knew of people who died. I got COVID before vaccines were available, and it definitely was the worst I've felt from a contagious illness in 20+ years. For that reason alone, Luckbox unnecessarily giving other people COVID seems more than a little weird. And it also seems like a political gesture, whether he would characterize it that way or not.

Genocide doesn't mean killing only people you like.

I'm not usually one to complain about modifier placement, but "only" should really go before "mean" here. It took me a second to figure out what you meant, probably partly because your construction changes it from an adverb to an advective.

That sounds like a pretext rather than a reason, with probable pre-existing causes.

This was during the winter of 2021 long after vaccines were available. I didn't deliberately give COVID to anyone. I did however have to work.

And yeah I've definitely been sicker with the flu. Vomiting is worse than just some chills for sure. It wasn't much at all. So if i was passing off COVID to the mostly already vaccinated population they weren't getting a very virulent strain.

If it was the winter of 2021 they were getting a very virulent strain: delta. How sick you got is irrelevant to the virulence of the strain.

It's frustrating to watch people justify ignoring expert guidance by applying their own misguided idea of how the medical science works.

There's a reason you should listen to the experts.

Do you think these guys should have listened to the experts?

Lol at listening to the experts. Experts got just about everything wrong during covid.

Pretty sure it was whatever came after delta. Omicron iirc