Moderation Questions

Yeah I've been to the dog beach near Del Mar, one in Long Beach, and one here in Portland . The dogs definitely have a lot of fun there.

Rosie's Dog Beach in Long beach-- I think it's one of the only ones in the LA area is my understanding-- I had to pick someone up from LAX so I drove up there and it was nice.

The one in Del Mar seems nice too but I like Ocean Beach better mostly I think because of the neighborhood there.

I was slightly exaggerating, as one small part of a long post about a much studied linguistic phenomenon.

And I never claimed that no one uses those two terms anymore! I said they were no longer the preferred terms, and later that they were no longer used by young liberals in major west coast cities.

Neither of which is true.

I am made very nervous by off-leash large dogs due to experiences as a child, and I have called people out for having their scary looking pitbull type dogs off leash in an open unfenced yard while I passed by on the sidewalk.

But this is really extreme. Some large parks around here have no official off-leash areas but people letting a well behaved dog run around for awhile away from most other people is not an issue to panic about.

The off-leash areas in larger parks often aren't even fenced, so they don't provide any more safety to people than if they were not so designated.

I disagree. Do you live in a large liberal west coast city?

There's a beach down the cliffs in Palos Verdes where dogs go free.

That's good to know ty.

San Diego also has some other places too like the beaches at Sunset Cliffs that are a little more difficult to access and probably mostly used by locals where they aren't technically allowed but you see it plenty.

I have lived in cities on both coasts, I assure you that young people still use "black" to describe black people.

It's a lot of fun to let a dog run on a beach, but I gather that the reason it isn't allowed in a lot of places is a concern that the dogs will harass and run off shore birds, even if they are too slow or clumsy to actually catch the birds. I obviously have no independent knowledge of the actual effect that unleashed dogs have on bird populations. I assume that protecting the birds is of concern to Luckbox. If I remember correctly, he is a bird-watching enthusiast.

A "twitcher", as we call them here. That explains a few things.

Alright, well people in Portland don't.

But there are also very few black people in Portland, which makes the young white people here feel bad and probably more likely to use whichever the currently least potentially offensive term is popular. But it's definitely spreading at least to national liberal leaning news media, as evidenced from my regular monitoring of NPR.

Fiesta Island has a fenced off area that's protected for Least terns and my dog did unfortunately get a tern that I think was an Elegant tern (birdwatching enthusiast yes but bad with shorebirds) but I'm pretty sure that bird was already injured and couldn't fly. It was a very unfortunate scene.

Generally though I think the areas that are protected for shorebirds and closed off completely to people. I know that's the case in the central coast area.

It's only allowed in very specific parts of west coastal cities, and I assume it wouldn't be allowed there if there were serious concerns about it harming local wildlife.

There is definitely no shortage of fearless seagulls at the ocean beaches.

I obviously have no objection to bird watching, but I have never really seen the appeal either. Sure, it's cool to see something like an eagle in the wild, but sitting for hours to catch a fleeting glimpse of what may or may not have been a bridled titmouse doesn't sound fun to me.

My wife's mother had a big dog that killed a great blue heron one time while we were visiting. It was quite a ghastly scene.

I wasn't suggesting that it was bad policy in places where it is allowed. I simply was noting the rationale that I heard in places where it is not allowed.

Yeah I'm sure it wouldn't be great if allowed on all public beaches.

It was a gradual process for me.

In the spring of 2011 I kept waking up to this bird song that I had never heard before around 5:15 AM and I was intrigued enough to research and figure out what it was and it was the dawn song of a migratory flycatcher called a Great-crested flycatcher. I was living in a duplex but it backed out into the woods and I saw a couple other birds that I'd never seen before that spring and took up an interest in being able to identify them by their calls.

And it is a bit of a weird thing to live in a place for a long time and then come across something in nature that you've never seen before. And you develop a mental catalog of what you've seen and what you haven't seen and then you start to research what is out there and start taking trips to find them until eventually you find yourself in Colombia scaling up waterfalls to find Oilbirds. It doesn't happen overnight though.

People like me? You mean responsible dog owners? My dogs, when they were alive, were champion hunting retrievers. They did what I told them to do when I told them to do it. They were never off lead except in designated areas or on private property. Why? Because I'm not a glass bowl.

it shows you are behind at least 5 years because you don't capitalize black, which according to the religion of Floyd means lack of respect.

https://www.ap.org/the-definitive-source...

the religion of floyd is such a stupid aphorism

its not even an aphorism its just the type of thing old white guys say to feel better about themselves

that’s what passes for clever nowadays. they have gaslit themselves into thinking being a dumb**** is clever and edgy

I'm supposed to have my dog trained to not chase a deer? She's a husky not a retriever. You can train them to run but not be police dogs.