Moderation Questions

anti-zionism is a horseshoe in the US

its basically just the natural state of being across the globe

Now explain why funerals are not held after miscarriages.

I think victor is next. The owner probably won’t like the protocols of elder zion being reproduced on his website in real time.

I kid, I kid

What’s the contradiction between every abortion involving a death and there rarely being a funeral held after a miscarriage?

If you don't know, I can't tell you.

It’s not that I don’t know. It’s that I am sure that there is none, but maybe I’m wrong. Can you derive the contradiction?

If every death leads to a funeral and burial or cremation then not having a funeral for every miscarriage would imply that many (most?) people don't consider miscarriage (and by proxy, abortion) to involve actual death

lol more details please? What did the owner say?

"I think Luciom should be permabanned"

then he did it

Well he's obviously not an "it's all about the clicks" kind of guy.

Yes, but that would be begging the question. I agree that if every death led to a funeral or burial or cremation, then not having a funeral for every miscarriage would mean that it’s false that miscarriages result in death. But that’s precisely what’s not the case.

For instance, someone that is unidentified (Jane Doe/John Doe) doesn’t normally get a funeral. They are no less dead than someone that did get a funeral.

Or people who die under rubble.

Or maybe the family is just poor and can’t afford a funeral or cremation.

Also, there are plenty of people who likewise do mourn for a passing through miscarriage, or if they had known there was a miscarriage would have mourned the passing.

My definition of “death” is the cessation of biological processes for an organism. That it happens in a miscarriage or not doesn’t matter much. And the idea that miscarriages can never be tragic to those experiencing them even without a funeral is so out of line with my experiences I’m surprised anyone could take on that line argumentation.

presumably the owner has better reading comprehension that you

So how many chickens die when you make an omelette? 🙄

I’m vegan so I don’t eat eggs.

But to your point, there’s no reason to think that death is inherently a bad thing. Killing an embryo in very early stages of development is nothing at all to care about.

None of that is actually responsive to her point.

If an egg is unfertilized then none died to make the egg, save for the billions of male chicks macerated in grinders completely unanesthetized so that people can continue to exploit chickens for their eggs. Does that answer the question?

So if the eggs were fertilized, you’d count that as killing chickens to make an omelette. Got it.

Not necessarily. If an egg is fertilized but it’s just left to sit there without any warmth or in temperatures that are too high, the fertilized embryo will die.

And a “chicken” or “rooster” may only refer to the developed form of those species. Generally we refer to the newly hatched chickens/roosters as “chicks” to differentiate them from the fully developed forms.

There is also a practice in the Philippines of allowing a fertilized egg to be developed until just before birth and then eating the chicken/rooster fetus. (called balut)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(f...)

I have no idea why this would be surprising or contentious to anyone.

I think I constructively express feelings for us all when I say

Anyway even if I thought a chicken had to die when I make an omelette (which I don’t), what exactly is the problem? People actually kill chickens by chopping their heads off/kill cows by slitting their throat/kill pigs by throwing them in gas chambers. There’s all types of evidence that people condone all types of killing, and all types of evidence that we don’t take some animal dying as an intrinsically bad thing.

An embryo dying can be horrible in certain cases, like if a couple is trying to have a child. Even if they miscarry very early on, this death could be devastating. That has no bearing on whether or not if the woman wanted to have an abortion that it would be morally bad. At a certain stage of development (such as very early on in the pregnancy), human life just has very little to no inherent moral value.

You’re soooooo close to getting it. Keep reading what you just wrote above. Maybe something will click.

You think that’s not true of a baby or something? lol

If you think my point is that abortion in the first trimester is wrong I don’t know what to tell you.

It doesn't, as you know perfectly well.

I'm just going to mark you down as "zero" until you can find a way to actually address the question.

So I’m clear then, you hold that every abortion is a death, but causing that death is not wrong.

Yes, not every death that a person can cause is wrong. Actually it might be the most responsible thing to do to take Plan B for instance if you have doubts about whether you will be able to be a good parent.

And if you simply don’t want a child for whatever reason, I honestly don’t see what property a newly fertilized embryo could have that would be worth protecting, save for the woman actually wanting to keep the child.

It’s only when there is a potential for sentience (a property I actually value) that I think a fetus starts to have value, but almost no one thinks that this happens in the first trimester.